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Does anyone have a William Webb born August 1885 in their tree born Wandsworth, London, he went to Canada and was there for WW1?

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Hi I have looked at the seach trees and cannot find anyone who says their ancestor was born Wandsworth, I know there were 4 of these BUT wondered if anyone would respond that their relative went to Canada and maybe even served in WW1. I am seriously hoping there is no one because I have someone called William but not Webb, his stepmother was called Webb. On the death of the father this young man disappears his registered name Nagington (various spellings) was so rare and should have been so easily found. He is never again on anything, the 1911 census, he did not die, he did not marry, he did not serve in the British or canadian army, he did not emigrate. There is one William Nagington but this one was definately born outside of London. His step brother George went to Canada and served in WW1 and also worked on the railway as the young man I have found. Clutching at any straws, I do have an alternative surname to look at his true mother's maiden name was Ryder and he may have taken that. Thank you for your early reply

regards Sandra

Sandra. ;)

You know it's all of us, and not family, who are going to see and respond!

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/thread/1245458

Where has William come from now??

There's so much info in the George thread that this might really be better there. Although again, so much info not disclosed that it's difficult.

This person born 1885?

Births Sep 1885
Naggington William Holborn 1b 777

Kind of hard to decipher what is what in your post.

http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc017/663295a.gif

Born 29 Aug 1885 in Wandsworth, occupation railway checker

Married (Ethel Mary Webb), attested at Toronto in 1916.

Stated had been in 109th Regt, 25 Aug 15 to date.


Info I think you had? ... No, you said he wasn't in the Cdn army. But he was in Canada for WWI - ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/169th_Battalion_%28109th_Regiment%29,_CEF

The 169th Battalion, CEF was a unit in the Canadian Expeditionary Force during the First World War. Based in Toronto, Ontario, the unit began recruiting during the winter of 1915/16 in that city. After sailing to England in October 1916, the battalion was absorbed into the 5th Reserve Battalion on January 24, 1917.


Urgh. This is the William Webb you are hoping is your William Whatever?

Hi Janey, it is snowing heavily here 1 foot in two days, which I presume you have plenty of so as I could not get out so thought I would exercise my diminishing brain.

Still not found George Webb going to Canada and wondered if he followed his step brother William. William was born a Nagington, as I said when his father dies in 1903, the mother and girls and baby Fred are in the workhouse, George and William are then untraceable until George marries Charlotte in Canada, William seems to vanish so wondered if he changed his surname.

This William may not be him so do not bother with it for now, am going to send for the birth cert of William and find out his true date of birth and progress from there.

Trouble being that anyone tracing their family in England do not always know that family have gone to Canada/Australia , they just cannot find them on a census.

By the way what is a railway checker, sorry to be so ignorant?

all the best again from Sandra

I have ordered the certificate of William Naggington born in London, told it will take a week to process and a week to arrive. Not holding my breath, not seen the postman for about 10 days and the snow does not look like clearing soon.

Been on the Canadian web site for ships to Quebec and the people on them looking for George Webb. Had to shut one down yesterday, many of them were children sent to Canada from the orphanges I was ok with the 14 to 11 year olds but when I got to the part with 7 year olds there, so many of them, how frightening must have that been for them.

Have yesterday received the birth certificate of William Naggington, he was born 9th June 1885, which does unfortunately, rule out any soldier in the Canadian forces that I can find under Naggington or it variations and Webb or Ryder, his mother;s or step mother;s name.

Does anyone have 1911 census that could look up for me

William Naggington, I can only find one near birth date which was 1888 says he was born Hants, now living in Farnham, any others about that date you can see with either Nagington, Naginton, Negaton, Neggington or anything similar please? I hope if I can find William maybe George is with him. On one census he is Willie or he could be Bill or even Will.

Also can you look for George Webb born 1889 it says he is in Institution which I hope was the army please?

When the father of Will dies he is 16 and George would have been 14, old enough to work but where would they live?

thanks Sandra

Got yer PM. You've probably done the same 1911 search anybody could -- a wildcard search for

William (including variants of name, or as wil* or bil*)
nag*ton
or
neg*ton

would turn up any there are, even on a free search.

The nearest birthdates, after 1877, for wil* nag*ton are

HOUSEHOLD NAGINGTON WILLIAM RICHARD 1887 24 Wellington Shropshire
MILITARY NAGGINGTON WILLIAM FREDERICK 1888 23 Farnham Surrey

and nothing for Neg*ton.


This birth matches one of the 1911 Williams:

Births Sep 1886
Nagington William Richard Burton 6b 382

but there is no birth to match William Frederick Naggington 1888, except possibly this one:

Births Dec 1889
Nagington William Alfred Warwick 6d 567
- William A Nagington marries in 1919 in Toxteth Park and dies aged 79 in 1968 in Southport, the only other records for that name.

-- but this is that one in 1911:

NAGINGTON WILLIAM ALFRED M 1890 21 Toxteth Park Lancashire

So that leaves the one in the military unaccounted for. No birth, marriage or death.


This George is in the same place as William Frederick Naggington:

MILITARY WEBB GEORGE 1889 22 Farnham Surrey

(there are several other George Webb-s born 1889 in the military and navy as well)

I'm not seeing a George Webb 1889 in an institution. Could you just copy the search result here?


To eliminate the extraneous info for someone who can look at 1911 details, it would be best if you just copy the free search result for any record you'd like the details of and post it here, w/o the local colour. ;)


FannyBy Gaslight has been off in foreign parts sunning herself, but maybe if she sees this pop up in her threads now she's back, she'lll do the 1911 search.

I'd say it's these you're after for now?

MILITARY NAGGINGTON WILLIAM FREDERICK 1888 23 Farnham Surrey

MILITARY WEBB GEORGE 1889 22 Farnham Surrey

Oops, an edit:

Name: William F K Naggington
Death Registration Month/Year: 1963
Age at death (estimated): 75 = dob c1888
Registration district: Salisbury
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 7c
Page: 783

This looks to be the one in the 1911:

MILITARY NAGGINGTON WILLIAM FREDERICK 1888 23 Farnham Surrey

Name: William F Naggington + Lilian G Fletcher
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's Surname: Fletcher
District: Mere
County: Dorset, Somerset, Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 551

One birth to the marriage:

Births Mar 1914
NAGGINGTON Gladys K Fletcher Farnham 2a 231


Still no birth anything like / anytime c1888 (for William or Frederick, Nagington or Naggington).


Aha! Someone has a tree here with a William Naggington born 1888 *in India*. That must be that man. She also has Gladys in her tree.

So I think that rules him out from your searches.

Just a quick reply, found on Find My Past 1911 census George Webb in an Institution.

1911 census Genes found William Fred Naggington says he was born Portsea which I think is Portsmouth still looking into this, think your findings are correct.

Jealous of Fanny by Gaslight in sunny climates, only thing is she will have a shock if she lives in England coming back to the cold. Winter only just started and fed up with having the heating on most of the time.

Going to re-read all you have found, how does a boy of 16 disappear? Sounds like Kidnapped and taken to sea, maybe he will turn up in some warmer climate. Maybe I should not worry about him.

Sandra.

My subs to FMP and Ancestry are back in cold and damp Wales from the warm and sunny Spain....
So list any you want looked at JC because as per usual I havent got a clue what you want..
Its the rambling off and around that does it you know..;)

FBG.

Hi Fanny welcome back to the cold, you should have asked for someone to go on strike and leave you where you were.

On Find my Past 1911 there is a George Webb 1889 who it says is in an Institiution. Janey has found one same year that is in the military - overseas. Could possibley be the same one.
I am looking for a William (Will, Bill any combo) born Naggington but this too has so many differences but there again it is a rare name. Most of the other Nags are born in the Midlands, he is the only one born London in June 1885. He is 16 and working (errand boy at 14) when his father dies, no sign yet of him in Army, Dead, Married, Emigrating that I can find. I thought he would go in the army like his father. George and William are step brothers.

Any help is most appreciated. Sandra

That's why I said up there: "To eliminate the extraneous info for someone who can look at 1911 details, it would be best if you just copy the free search result for any record you'd like the details of and post it here, w/o the local colour. ;)"


Too much bumph again. FBG isn't going to find any W* N*n that we can't find. Just the facts for the lookup are what we want here.

I'd tried to simplify it earlier, then got sidetracked.


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FBG: Two Things in the 1911 census
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#1 -- MILITARY WEBB GEORGE 1889 22 Farnham Surrey

#2 -- I don't know what Sandra is talking about, but she says there's a George Webb dob 1889 in an institution somewhere.
I asked her to copy the search results here (which would show the location, for instance), but she didn't!
Sandra, you keep saying George Webb, but do you mean *William*? --

INSTITUTION WEBB WILLIAM 1889 22 Bolton Lancashire

Person: WEBB, George
Institution: Gibraltar Barracks,
Military details: Sapper 413/-/0 5th Field Co R E

WEBB, George Single ? 22 1889 Fitter Middlesex Canonton

Address:
Stanhope Lines Aldershot
_________________________________________

Person: WEBB, George
Institution: 1st Cavalry Brigade 2nd Dragoon Guards,
Military details: Trumpeter 2nd Dragoon Guards Queen's Bays

WEBB, George Single ? 21 1890 Musician Kent Sandgate

Address:
Wellington Lines Aldershot

___________________________________________

Address:
Stanhope Lines Aldershot

Person: WEBB, George Frank
Institution: Maida Barracks,
Military details: Private Infantry 1st Bedfordshire Regiment 413/-/0

WEBB, George Frank Single ? 21 1890 Msex Edmonston

Hey, my grfather was a musician in the Dragoon Guards in 1911! We must be cousins! Except that George Webb doesn't fit Sandra's specs.

FBG, see my edit up above, in case Sandra said George for #2 but meant William. Or do you see a George Webb 1889 in an institution??

Never mind, never mind, George was 1889, William was 1885 ... I think ...

Hi Fanny and George, the person I am researching is George Webb born 14th Sept 1888/9 year differs from when he came to England 1955 ships paperwork and attestation papers when he joined the Canadian army.

The only reason I am looking at William Naggington is that they both are not in the workhouse with the rest of the family from 1904 so I thought if I could find William maybe George followed or lived with him..

The top one looks good on his first Canadian attestation papers he says he is an engineer and that he was also in No 3 field artillery maybe part time prior to signing up for WW1 if you get my drift. Sorry if I have confused you both, my husband says I do it all the time but in my mind I know what I am saying, must be on planet Zog.

Need to see if I can look more into this young man I hope this is not another dead end been up so many with this family.

Thanks for your help yet again owe you both a big hug.

Sandra

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all my helpers thanks again


xxxxx