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Carole

Carole Report 22 Dec 2010 22:33

Hi there,
I wonder if anyone is able to help me please? I am trying to find further information about my great x 9 grandfather Samuel Livingston or Levingston. There is some confusion about the spelling of the surname.
I know that Samuel was born in Stirlingshire, Scotland in 1611 and died in Danby in Cleveland, Yorkshire, England in 1677. He married Margaret Ratcliffe in Hinderwell, Yorkshire in 1639 and had two daughters, Martha (from whom I descend) and Maria.
My problem is Samuel's parents, or at least his father. I know that his mother was a Marion Fortune who died in Stirling in 1619, I don't know when or where she was born. I have two names for Samuel's father, it could be David Livingston or Robert Livingston/Levingston.
I know that David was born in Stirling in 1585 and died there about 1634, he was the 5th Lord of Dunipace. I also know that Robert was born in Stirling in 1584 and died there in 1625.
I have looked at a number of family trees on Ancestry, some of which have David as Samuel's father whilst others have Robert. I have tried to get information from Scotland's People but unfortunately their records are very sketchy, to say the least.
I would love to be able to clear this mystery up as if David is in fact my ancestor then I will be able to trace my ancestry back to the Norman Conquest and that would be amazing.
I look forward to receiving any replies in due course.

Thanks

Carole

p.s. May I wish all who read this a very Merry Christmas and all the best for the New Year.

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 23 Dec 2010 13:28

http://www.hto-livingston.com/livingstonsofdunipace.html

IGI records do not go as far back,therefore it would have to be the pay site of Scotlandspeople.

Ellen

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Dec 2010 13:39

Husband
Samuel Levingston Pedigree


Birth: 1611 , Stirling, Scotland
Christening:
Marriage: About 1639 Staithes, Yorkshire, England
Death: JUN 1677 Danby In Cleveland, Yorkshire, England
Burial:





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Wife
Margaret Ratcliffe Pedigree


Birth: 1615 Staithes, Yorkshire, England
Christening: 20 AUG 1615 Hinderwell, Yorkshire, England
Marriage: About 1639 Staithes, Yorkshire, England
Death: After MAY 1696 Little Broughton, Yorkshire, England
Burial:





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Children

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1. Mary or Maria Levingston Pedigree
Female

Birth: 1640 Danby In Cleveland, Yorkshire, England
Christening: 29 SEP 1640 Danby In Cleveland, Yorkshire, England
Death:
Burial: 03 NOV 1670



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2. Martha Levingston or Livingston Pedigree
Female

Birth: 1642 Danby In Cleveland, Yorkshire, England
Christening: 25 APR 1642 St Hildas Church,Danby In,Cleveland,Yorkshire
Death: 1714 Little Broughton, Yorkshire, England
Burial: 1714 St Augustines Church, Kirby In Cleveland, Yorkshire, England


AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Dec 2010 13:40


Samuel Livingston Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: About 1605 Kilsyth, Stirling, Scotland

Christening:
Death: Kilsyth, Stirling, Scotland
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Parents:
Father: William Livingston Family
Mother: Agnes Livingston

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Dec 2010 13:41

Samuel Livingston Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: About 1601 Kilsyth, Stirling, Scotland
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Parents:
Father: Rev. William Livingston Family
Mother: Agnes Livingston

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Dec 2010 13:42

Just in case it's connected!!



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Husband's Name
Hugh LIVINGSTONE (AFN:KGBC-BS) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1593 Place: Of Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Married: 26 Jul 1618 Place: Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland

Father:
Mother:

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Wife's Name
Katherine WYSE (AFN:KGBC-C0) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1597 Place: Of Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Married: 26 Jul 1618 Place: Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland

Father:
Mother:

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Children

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1. Sex Name
F Dorothy LIVINGSTONE (AFN:KGBC-HN) Pedigree

Born: 1625 Place:
Christened: 11 Feb 1625 Place: Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland

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2. Sex Name
M Alex LIVINGSTON (AFN:KGBC-D5) Pedigree

Born: 1619 Place:
Christened: 8 Jun 1619 Place: Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland

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3. Sex Name
M David LIVINGSTON (AFN:KGBC-FB) Pedigree

Born: 1621 Place:
Christened: 4 Jun 1621 Place: Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland

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4. Sex Name
M James LIVINGSTON (AFN:KGBC-GH) Pedigree

Born: 1623 Place:
Christened: 13 Mar 1623 Place: Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland

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5. Sex Name
F Margaret LIVINGSTON (AFN:KGBC-JT) Pedigree

Born: 1626 Place:
Christened: 24 Jul 1626 Place: Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland

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6. Sex Name
F Elizabeth LIVINGSTON (AFN:KGBC-K1) Pedigree

Born: 1628 Place:
Christened: 27 Feb 1628 Place: Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland

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7. Sex Name
F Agnes LIVINGSTON (AFN:KGBC-L6) Pedigree

Born: 1629 Place:
Christened: 27 Apr 1629 Place: Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland

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8. Sex Name
M Thomas LIVINGSTON (AFN:KGBC-MC) Pedigree

Born: 1634 Place:
Christened: 25 Sep 1634 Place: Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland

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9. Sex Name
F Helenor LIVINGSTON (AFN:KGBC-NJ) Pedigree

Born: 1636 Place:
Christened: 9 May 1636 Place: Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland

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10. Sex Name
F Bessie LIVINGSTON (AFN:KGBC-PP) Pedigree

Born: 1638 Place:
Christened: 19 Jul 1638 Place: Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 23 Dec 2010 13:43

Samuel Levingston
Birth: 1611 , Stirling, Scotland

Christening:
Death: JUN 1677 Danby In Cleveland, Yorkshire, England

Father: Robert Livingston Family
Mother: Marion Fortune

Submitted

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Dec 2010 13:43

Husband's Name
John LIVINGSTONE (AFN:9FJ3-TK) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1554 Place: Of, Dunipace, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Died: 1619 Place: Of, Dunipace, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Married: 10 Feb 1578/79 Place: Of, Ochiltree, Ayrshire, Scotland

Father: John LIVINGSTON (AFN:WCNB-VL) Family
Mother: Margaret ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9FXZ-18)

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Wife's Name
Margaret COLVILLE (AFN:WCN8-ZT) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1558 Place: Of, Ochiltree, Ayrshire, Scotland
Married: 10 Feb 1578/79 Place: Of, Ochiltree, Ayrshire, Scotland

Father:
Mother:

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Children

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1. Sex Name
F Margaret LIVINGSTON (AFN:B1QR-ZT) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1560 Place: Of, Dunniplace, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Died: Dec 1623 Place:

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2. Sex Name
F Elizabeth LIVINGSTONE (AFN:9FJ3-K6) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1582 Place: Of, Dunipace, Sterlingshire, Scotland

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3. Sex Name
M John LIVINGSTON (AFN:WCN9-M8) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1582 Place: Duniplace, Stirling, Scotland
Died: 1619 Place:

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4. Sex Name
F Agnes LIVINGSTON (AFN:WCN9-T9) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1586 Place: Duniplace, Stirling, Scotland

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5. Sex Name
M Alexander LIVINGSTON (AFN:WCNB-50) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1588 Place: Duniplace, Stirling, Scotland

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6. Sex Name
M David LIVINGSTON (AFN:WCNB-8H) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1590 Place: Duniplace, Stirlingshire, Scotland

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7. Sex Name
M Robert LIVINGSTON (AFN:WCNB-D6) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1592 Place: Duniplace, Stirlingshire, Scotland

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8. Sex Name
M James LIVINGSTON (AFN:WCNB-K2) Pedigree

Born: 1592 Place: Kirkhill, Kincardine, Scotland

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9. Sex Name
F Jean LIVINGSTON (AFN:WCN9-76) Pedigree

Born: 1579 Place: Duniplace, Stirling, Scotland

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Dec 2010 13:44

Husband's Name
John LIVINGSTON (AFN:WCNB-VL) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1528 Place: Duniplace, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Died: 1598 Place:
Married: Bef 8 1552 May Place: Of, Bothkennar, Stirlingshire, Scotland

Father:
Mother:

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Wife's Name
Margaret ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9FXZ-18) Pedigree

Born: 14 Feb 1528 Place: Of, Pittendreich, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Married: Bef 8 1552 May Place: Of, Bothkennar, Stirlingshire, Scotland

Father: Alexander ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9FXX-ZX) Family
Mother: Katherine ERSKINE (AFN:9FXZ-03)

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Children

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1. Sex Name
F Margaret LIVINGSTON (AFN:WCNC-1F) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1552 Place: Duniplace, Stirlingshire, Scotland

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2. Sex Name
M John LIVINGSTONE (AFN:9FJ3-TK) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1554 Place: Of, Dunipace, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Died: 1619 Place: Of, Dunipace, Stirlingshire, Scotland

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3. Sex Name
M James LIVINGSTON (AFN:WCNC-2L) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1556 Place: Of, Cauldbaure, Forfarshire, Scotland

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4. Sex Name
F Elizabeth LIVINGSTON (AFN:WCNC-3R) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1560 Place: Duniplace, Stirlingshire, Scotland

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5. Sex Name
M Patrick LIVINGSTON (AFN:WCNC-4X) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1568 Place: Of, Babrownie, Forfar, Scotland
Died: 1643 Place:

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Dec 2010 13:44


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Husband's Name
Alexander ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9FXX-ZX) Pedigree

Born: 22 May 1510 Place: Of, Elphinstone, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Christened: 20 Nov 1525 Place:
Died: 10 Sep 1547 Place: Battle Of Pinkie, Edinburgh, Mid-Lothian, Scotland
Married: 25 Nov 1525 Place: Contract

Father: Alexander ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9G0P-WS) Family
Mother: Elizabeth BARLOW (BERCLAY) (AFN:9G0P-X0)

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Wife's Name
Katherine ERSKINE (AFN:9FXZ-03) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1506 Place: Of, Erskine, Scotland
Married: 25 Nov 1525 Place: Contract

Father: John ERSKINE (AFN:9G0P-R4) Family
Mother: Margaret CAMPBELL (AFN:9G0P-S9)

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Children

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1. Sex Name
M Alexander ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9FXZ-9M) Pedigree

Born: 19 Jan 1539 Place: Of, Pittendreich, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Died: Aft 1584 Place: Unmarried, Elphinstone, Stirlingshire, Scotland

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2. Sex Name
F Marjory ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9FXZ-4R) Pedigree

Born: 6 Feb 1533 Place: Of, Pittendreich, Stirlingshire, Scotland

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3. Sex Name
F Margaret ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9FXZ-18) Pedigree

Born: 14 Feb 1528 Place: Of, Pittendreich, Stirlingshire, Scotland

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4. Sex Name
F Janet ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9FXZ-5X) Pedigree

Born: 16 Mar 1534 Place: Of, Pittendreich, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Died: Aft 13 1588/1589 Mar Place:

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5. Sex Name
F Isobel ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9FXZ-3L) Pedigree

Born: 15 May 1533 Place: Of, Pittendreich, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Christened: OR 13 AUG Place:

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6. Sex Name
F Elizabeth ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9FXZ-79) Pedigree

Born: 27 Jun 1537 Place: Of, Pittendreich, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Died: Place: Unmarried, Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland

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7. Sex Name
M John ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9FXZ-64) Pedigree

Born: 4 JUL 1536 Place: Of, Pittendreich, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Died: Place: , Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Buried: 22 SEP 1616 Place: Parish Church, Stirling, Stirlingshire, Scotland

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8. Sex Name
M James ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9FXZ-8G) Pedigree

Born: 12 Jul 1538 Place: Of, Elieston, Linlithgow, Scotland

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9. Sex Name
M Robert ELPHINSTON (AFN:9GB8-P1) Pedigree

Born: 9 Sep 1530 Place: Of Elphinston, , Sterlingshire, Scotland
Christened: 9 Sep 1530 Place: Elphinstone, East Lothian, Scotland
Died: 18 May 1602 Place:

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10. Sex Name
M Michael (Twin) ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9FXZ-BS) Pedigree

Born: 26 Sep 1544 Place: Of, Pittendreich, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Died: 14 Feb 1625 Place: Canongate, Edinburgh, Mid-Lothian, Scotland
Buried: Place: Parish Church, Airth, , Scotland

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11. Sex Name
M William (Twin) ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9FXZ-C0) Pedigree

Born: 26 Sep 1544 Place: Of, Pittendreich, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Died: 26 Jul 1602 Place:

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Dec 2010 13:45

Husband's Name
Alexander ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9G0P-WS) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1480 Place: Of, Elphinstone, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Died: 9 Sep 1513 Place: Battle Of Flodden, Branxton, Northumberland, England
Married: Bef 8 1507 Aug Place:

Father:
Mother:

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Wife's Name
Elizabeth BARLOW (BERCLAY) (AFN:9G0P-X0) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1476 Place: Of, , Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Died: 10 Sep 1518 Place:
Married: Bef 8 1507 Aug Place:

Father:
Mother:

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Children

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1. Sex Name
F Euphem ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9G0P-TG) Pedigree

Born: 11 May 1509 Place: Of, Elphinstone, East-Lothian, Scotland

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2. Sex Name
M Alexander ELPHINSTONE (AFN:9FXX-ZX) Pedigree

Born: 22 May 1510 Place: Of, Elphinstone, Stirlingshire, Scotland
Christened: 20 Nov 1525 Place:
Died: 10 Sep 1547 Place: Battle Of Pinkie, Edinburgh, Mid-Lothian, Scotland

Flick

Flick Report 23 Dec 2010 13:45

http://dunipacechurch.org.uk/landslairds.htm

Extensive history of the Lords of Dunipace......

One snippet from it.............

"Sir David (5th) married Barbara Forrester...etc"

ellieathome

ellieathome Report 23 Dec 2010 13:50


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Husband
Samuel Levingston Pedigree


Birth: 1611 , Stirling, Scotland
Christening:
Marriage: About 1639 Staithes, Yorkshire, England
Death: JUN 1677 Danby In Cleveland, Yorkshire, England
Burial:





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Wife
Margaret Ratcliffe Pedigree


Birth: 1615 Staithes, Yorkshire, England
Christening: 20 AUG 1615 Hinderwell, Yorkshire, England
Marriage: About 1639 Staithes, Yorkshire, England
Death: After MAY 1696 Little Broughton, Yorkshire, England
Burial:





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Children

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1. Mary or Maria Levingston Pedigree
Female

Birth: 1640 Danby In Cleveland, Yorkshire, England
Christening: 29 SEP 1640 Danby In Cleveland, Yorkshire, England
Death:
Burial: 03 NOV 1670



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2. Martha Levingston or Livingston Pedigree
Female

Birth: 1642 Danby In Cleveland, Yorkshire, England
Christening: 25 APR 1642 St Hildas Church,Danby In,Cleveland,Yorkshire
Death: 1714 Little Broughton, Yorkshire, England
Burial: 1714 St Augustines Church, Kirby In Cleveland, Yorkshire, England


Carole

Carole Report 23 Dec 2010 22:50

Hi Ellen, Ann & Flick,

Thanks for your replies to my message. I already have some of the information you have provided however, you have still given me some that I need to study carefully as it may be useful. I do know that David the 5th Lord Dunipace was married to Barbara Forrester in 1609, I think it was, but Samuel could still be his natural son. I realise that I am clutching at straws here but I am sure that I will get some sort of confirmation as to which man is really Samuel's father if I keep searching.
Thanks once again.

Regards

Carole

Flick

Flick Report 23 Dec 2010 23:04

As the saying goes 'It's a wise man that knows his father'

You may get confirmation of the mother's identity, but only she knew for sure who fathered her son

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Dec 2010 23:52

Husband
Alexander Livingston Pedigree

Birth: About 1509 Kilsyth, , Perth, Scotland
Christening:
Marriage: About 1544 , Stirling, Scotland
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Wife
Barbara Forrester Pedigree

Birth: About 1519 Of, , Stirling, Scotland
Christening:
Marriage: About 1544 , Stirling, Scotland


AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Dec 2010 23:53

Husband
Alexander Livingston Pedigree

Birth: About 1505 Of Inches, , Lanark, Scotland
Christening:
Marriage: 1542
Death: 1564

Father: William Livingston Family
Mother: Janet Bruce
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Wife
Barbara Forrester Pedigree

Birth: About 1521 Of Inches, , Lanark, Scotland
Christening:
Marriage: 1542

Father: Duncan Forrester Family
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Children

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1. Barbara Livingston Pedigree
Female

Birth: About 1543 Of, Kilsyth, Stirling, Scotland
Christening:

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 23 Dec 2010 23:55

Barbara FORRESTER Compact Disc #94 Pin #583371 (AFN: 1L3X-K0C) Pedigree
Sex: F

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Event(s)
Birth: abt 1515

Carden (garden),stirling,scotland

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Parents
Father: sir duncan FORRESTER Disc #94 Pin #583389

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Marriage(s)
Spouse: Alexander LIVINGSTON Disc #94 Pin #583372
Marriage: bef 18 Sep 1542