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Thankyou for your looking I do appreciate it loads things do look as though they could be getting clearer.

Thankyou loads

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Bertie George Davey
Name: Bertie George Davey
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Ward
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1909
Parish: St Mark, Victoria Park
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Charles Davey >> Porter
Spouse Father Name: James Ward

Winesses; Emily Ward and George Knight.


This marriage is C J and Elizabeths other son. Bertie has not noted his father as deceased either.

Now there is an entry in the column to the side, Bertie just married under the name of George Davey and then in 1914 this was ammended and his birth certificate was used as proof, Bertie and Mary Ann were present at the time. This was possibly something to do with the War???

Oh and 1 more thing;

Elizabeth is on the 1881 census, but then in 1891 she is noted as Lily.

Hi ray,

Yes I think getting the marriage cert for Charles J davey and Elizabeth Challis would be a good idea, it may clear things up.

I was just looking and found this;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Annie Sophia Davey
Name: Annie Sophia Davey
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Spouse Name: William John Lawden
Spouse Age: 26
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1912
Parish: St Philip, Dalston
County: London
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Charles John Davey >> Fish salesman (not noted as deceased)
Spouse Father Name: John William Lawden


Witnessed by Charles Davey..... most likely her brother.

And then this one;


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Elizabeth Annie Davey
Name: Elizabeth Annie Davey
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Spouse Name: William George Thake
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 04 Aug 1901
Parish: St Mary, Bromley St Leonard
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Charles John Davey >> labourer (not noted as deceased)
Spouse Father Name: William Thake

Address for Elizabeth 10 Reeves Street

Winesses; Annie Sophia Davey and William Davis.


Were her fathers name is; William is crossed out and Charles John Davey added, so looks like she wanted to put her step fathers name down.


To me it looks like the girls have established that their father was C J Davey and aknowledged that he is still alive were Charles Jnr has stated he has died........ now Charles Jnr may have thought "well he's dead to me"???


I'll still keep plodding on and see what else turns up,


Dee x

Hi Dee

Thankyou for this I am still confused I think the only way I am going to sort this is to get the marriage cert. and that will give me the info and try and go from there. It so easy to confuse me. lol Thankyou for your hard work if he left Elizabeth and then married Emily did he get divorced. Why when Charles Jnr got married he put father deceased.

Thankyou for all your help xx

Hi Ray,

I think it is the same person;

1861 England Census
about Chas Davey
Name: Chas Davey
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Davey
Mother's name: Sophia Davey
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney

Civil Parish: South Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: South Hackney
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 87
Household Members: Name Age
John Davey 26 > Bricklayers Carman
Sophia Davey 23
Emily Davey 3
Chas Davey 1
Sarah Pearce 28
Emily Pearce 4


1871 England Census
about Sophia Davey
Name: Sophia Davey
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: London City
Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: All Angels and St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 155
Household Members: Name Age
Sophia Davey 32 >> think it states Widow
Emily Davey 13
Charles Davey 11
Frederick Davey 5


I think this is younger brother Fredericks marriage;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Frederick Davey
Name: Frederick Davey
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Spouse Name: Ada Broan
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 22 Oct 1891
Parish: Christ Church, Spitalfields
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Davey >> carman
Spouse Father Name: George Broan

One witness was Sophia Ludbrook ??


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Ludbrook
Name: John Ludbrook
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Spouse Name: Sophia Dowey >> Davey on image, Widow
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 24 Sep 1871
Parish: St John at Hackney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: John Ludbrook
Spouses father; Charles May


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about John Davey
Name: John Davey
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Spouse Name: Sophia May
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 31 May 1857
Parish: St James, Shoreditch
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: John Davey
Spouse Father Name: Charles May



So it's looking like the correct family. Eunice Grace could have been born and just had the Davey name....... now I don't know if both parents would have to be present at the baptism or not??


I think if Charles when with Emily had just used his first name, I may have thought a coincedence, but then using his full name in 1911 makes me think that the info is right.


Dee x

Hi Dee

Thanks for looking this up I am getting a bit confused as he had Eunice in 1894 with Elizabeth so is this the same person or a different Charles

Looks like Emily from the 1901 census with the children;

1891 England Census
about Emma Cole
Name: Emma Cole
[Emma Tinkler]
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: George Tinkler
Gender: Female
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England

Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Tinkler 71 >> Widow. Occupation; Cooper
Emma Cole 32 >> Widower. Daughter to George Tinkler
Robt Cole 10
Emily K Cole 5
Ethel C Cole 2


Her 1st marriage;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Emma Tinkler
Name: Emma Tinkler
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Robert Charles Cole >> Plumber
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1879
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: George Tinkler >> Cooper
Spouse Father Name: William Henry Ife Cole

One witness is Charlotte Davis.


And then her 2nd marriage;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Emily Cole
Name: Emily Cole
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Charles Davey >> Salesman
Spouse Age: 32
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 12 Dec 1892
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: George Tinkler >> Cooper
Spouse Father Name: John Davey >> Carman (deceased)



Dee x

Dont worry about the foul language thats what I have just finished. I would like to say WOW thats loads of info to go on thankyou so much now to transfer that to my tree.

I appreciate this I tryed looking them up in the Census and just cant find them but you have.

Thankyou

Shame on you!!!!!
(I STILL have to take a bucket of soapy water to that kitchen of mine.......)

Maureenx

Excellent find Maureen.

I'll apologise before hand regarding my next statemanet using foul language.

Sorry, got to go for a while....... housework!!!


Dee x

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1901 census transcription details for: 11, York Road, East Ham

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 1597 Folio: 148 Page: 22


Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: East Ham
Parish: East Ham Enum. District: 19
Ecclesiastical District: St Stephens Upton Park City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 11, York Road, East Ham
County: Essex
DAVEY, Charles Head Married M 40 1861 Fish Porter
Mile End London
DAVEY, Emely Wife Married F 39 1862
Bermondsey London
DAVEY, Robert Son Single M 20 1881 Fish Porter
Bermondsey London
DAVEY, Emily Daughter F 15 1886 Servant (Domestic)
Mile End London
DAVEY, Ethel Daughter F 12 1889
Mile End London

Maureen

Ooh lovely, thanks Maureen.

Now where is he in 1901???

You are right,of course!

1911 census transcription details for: 44 Sale Street Bethnal Green
RG14PN1425 RG78PN50 RD17 SD2 ED8 SN196


Reg. District: Bethnal Green Sub District: Bethnal Green South West
Parish: Bethnal Green Enum. District: 8
Address: 44 Sale Street Bethnal Green
County: London

DAVEY, Charles John Head Married
13 years M 52 1859 City Of London Fish Porter Hackney London
DAVEY, Emily Winifred Wife Married
13 years F 40 1871 Bermondsey London
DAVEY, Irene May Daughter F 8 1903 School Essex Mand Park
DAVEY, Ruby Beatress Daughter F 7 1904 School Manor Park Essex

Maureen

Maureen,

can you check this 1911 census out please;

HOUSEHOLD DAVEY CHARLES JOHN M 1859 52 Bethnal Green London

He was born in hackney... so might be our guy??


Dee x

Can only see this possible marriage????

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
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BARTON George Ernest Fulham 1a 806
CANTWELL Annie May Fulham 1a 806
CANTWELL May Fulham 1a 806
COLES Nora Fulham 1a 806
>>>>>>DAVEY Elizabeth Fulham 1a 806
>>>>>>>DAVIS William Fulham 1a 806

Waves to Maureen.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Celia Louise Davis
Name: Celia Louise Davis
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1899
Baptism Date: 3 Sep 1899
Father's name: William Davis >> Labourer
Mother's name: Elizabeth Davis
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bromley St Leonard St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Address 10 Reeves Road



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Mabel Lilian Davis
Name: Mabel Lilian Davis
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1897
Baptism Date: 13 Jun 1897
Father's name: William Davis
Mother's name: Elizabeth Davis
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bromley St Leonard St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about William Henry Davis
Name: William Henry Davis
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1895
Baptism Date: 14 Jul 1895
Father's name: William Davis
Mother's name: Elizabeth Davis
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bromley St Leonard St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets



And just before;

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Eunice Grace Davey
Name: Eunice Grace Davey
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1894
Baptism Date: 15 Apr 1894
Father's name: Charles John Davey >> PORTER
Mother's name: Elizabeth Davey
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bromley St Leonard St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets



So within a 15 month period Elizabeth had "married" William Davis and had a child with him.


Dee x

Nice find,Dee!!!

1911 census transcription details for: 17 Burdett Street
RG14PN1681 RG78PN59 RD22 SD2 ED4 SN283


Reg. District: Poplar Sub District: Bromley
Parish: Poplar Borough Enum. District: 4
Address: 17 Burdett Street
County: London
DAVIS, William Head Married M 42 1869 Railway Labourer Stepney
DAVIS, Elizabeth Wife Married
16 years F 49 1862 House Work Walthamstow
DAVEY, Annie Stepdaughter Single F 27 1884 Chocolate Coverer Walworth
DAVEY, Frank Stepson Single M 21 1890 Carman Mile End
DAVEY, Grace Stepdaughter Single F 17 1894 Chocolate Packer Poplar
DAVIS, William Son M 15 1896 Van Guard Bromley by Bow
DAVIS, Mabel Daughter F 13 1898 School Bromley by Bow
DAVIS, Celia Daughter F 11 1900 School Bromley by Bow


Maureen

1901 England Census
about Charles Davis
Name: Charles Davis
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Davis
Mother's name: Elizabeth Davis
Gender: Male
Where born: Mile End, London, England

Civil Parish: Bromley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew Bromley
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 10 REEVES STREET!!!!

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bromley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 99
Household Members: Name Age
William Davis 33 >> Brick layer labourer
Elizabeth Davis 38
Charles Davis 19
Annie Davis 19
Bertie Davis 15
Frank Davis 10
Grace Davis 7
Mabel Davis 3
Celia Davis 1
William Davis 5


Now the 4 oldest children's names all match with the Davey family and the address is correct for when Charles Jnr married, and William Davis was a witnesses!!!


Dee x