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Where did Robert Mann and Lydia Mann(nee Holmes) born 1842 Derby go to after my great grandfather Thomas Mann was born c1864.I have hit a brick wall...

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Tom Mann

Birth 1864inDerby, Derbyshire, England
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Timeline (View details) 1864
BirthDerby, Derbyshire, England
2 source citations

1891Age: 27
ResidenceSt Peter, Derbyshire, England
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1901Age: 37
ResidenceDerby, Derbyshire, England
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Robert Mann 1844 –

Lydia Holmes 1842 –
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Sarah J Carr 1869 – 1929

Alfred Mann 1905 – 1974

1871 - Thomas?

Name: Thomas Mann
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Derby, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Moore 41
Sarah Moore 52
Sarah Moore 18
Thomas Mann 7
Samuel Moore 30

Have you checked possible marriages

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Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
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Carrington John Derby 7b 686
MANN Lydia Derby 7b 686
THOMPSON Rhoda Derby 7b 686
Walker John Derby 7b 686

I thought that as well

1871????

Name: Lydia Carrington
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John Carrington
Gender: Female
Where born: Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Brightside Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Brightside
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Household schedule number: 143
Household Members:
Name Age
John Carrington 27
Lydia Carrington 28
Sarah Carrington 3 Month

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Deaths Jun 1864 (>99%)
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Mann Robert Basford 7b 65


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William, who did Thomas Mann eventually marry, and where? If we can trace him soon after his marriage we may be able to work back over.

Robert Mann Married Lydia Holmes 1864, they do not appear on any censuses, so where did they go?

William, I think K and Glitterbaby have already worked that out for you. Now we need to find Thomas.

This looks like Lydia pre marriage to Robert Mann in 1861 to compare her age to the Lydia in 1871

Name: Ludia Holmes
[Lydia Holmes]
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Daughter-in-Law
Gender: Female
Where born: Derby, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: St Peter
Town: Derby
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 87
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Moore 29
Sarah Moore 42
Sarah Moore 8
Ludia Holmes 18

1861 looks good compared to 1871 when Thomas is a grandson

Lydia and John Carrington are on 1881

Unfortunately Ancestry seems to have gone down to check any further

pm from William:

Thomas Mann married Sarah J Carr in Derby in 1890

Looks like Tom & Sarah J in 1891, for reference:

MANN, Tom Head Married M 27 1864 Boot & Shoe Finisher Derby Derbyshire
MANN, Sarah J Wife Married F 22 1869 Bath Somersetshire
MANN, Thomas Son M 0 (2M) 1891 Derby Derbyshire
MOORE, Sarah Grandmother Widow F 73 1818 Derby Derbyshire

Registration District: Derby Sub District: Derby
Enumeration District: 11 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Peters

Civil Parish: St Peter Municipal Borough: Derby
Address: Back 8, Sacheverel Street, St Peter, Derby County: Derbyshire

Just to cause trouble!!!!! I don't think Robert Mann was born in Derbyshire!!..or I'd have found him!!.......You might find him on the census entries if you leave the county of birth blank...............just a thought..

Derek.

K, wonder if that tree on Ancestry is a bit confused? Seems too much of a coincidence in the brides names when Tom married a Sarah J Carr.

Here's the 1881 for Lydia:

CARRINGTON, John Head Married M 36 1845 Labourer General Spondon Derbyshire
CARRINGTON, Lydia Wife Married F 38 1843 Derby Derbyshire
CARRINGTON, Sarah Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar Sheffield Yorkshire
CARRINGTON, Julia Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar Sheffield Yorkshire
CARRINGTON, John Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar Derby Derbyshire
CARRINGTON, William Son Single M 1 1880 Derby Derbyshire

Registration District: Sheffield Sub District: North Sheffield

Civil Parish: Sheffield Municipal Borough:

Address: 3, Ct 7 Garden St, Sheffield County: Yorkshire (West riding)

Here's Thomas in 1881 - he was recorded under his grandparents name!

MOORE, Thomas Head Married M 50 1831 Surgeon Dentist St Peters Derbyshire
MOORE, Sarah Wife Married F 62 1819 St Peters Derbyshire
MOORE, Thomas Grand Son Single M 17 1864 Shoe Finisher St Peters Derbyshire

Registration District: Derby Sub District: Derby

Civil Parish: St Peter
Address: 8, Sacheverel St, St Peter County: Derbyshire

Many thanks to everyone who replied..............