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Yes I have come across this. The term is called Past On's, when a child dies another child born to the same parents is given the dead child's name. A branch of my father's side used this with a few of their children. Back in those days children were usually named after the Grandparents. First male after paternal Grandfather, first female after maternal Grandmother. Then reversed for 2nd male and 2nd female. But In this case neither Grandfathers were called Thomas. Also Bridget was their first daughter, but her maternal Grandmother was not called Bridget. So that doesn't follow either.

My guess is Patrick & Mary had Thomas(1), and then after his death, had Thomas(2). It wasn't uncommon to recycle the names of dead kids.

There is one other ~O'Hare Kendal birth 1881-1901, so maybe I'm wrong:

Births Dec 1890 (>99%)
O'Hara Tommy Kendal 10b 696

Thanks for the post
They are the correct ones. My Grandmother Bridget doesn't show with them on the 1901 as she was with her Grandparents in Ireland. Our Thomas O'Hare died in 1960 but I wonder who the parents were of the one born and died 1885?
It was Annie I was curious about, as to what happened to her after the 1911 census and did she marry? I now have her Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates. And information on her children, but many thanks for trying to help on this.

Assuming they didn't wed in Ireland, then there are several possible marrs in the NW - the most likely is:

Marriages Dec 1885 (>99%)
Hanratty Mary Kendal 10b 1051
O'Hara Patrick Kendal 10b 1051


1891 England Census
Civil parish: Kirkland
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Kendal
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England
Street Address: 12 Kirkland
Registration district: Kendal
Sub-registration district: Kendal
ED, institution, or vessel: 3

Patrick Ohare 30 Ireland Head M General Dealer & Lodging House Keeper
Mary Ohare 25 Ireland Wife M General Dealer (Shop)
Thomas Ohare 6/12 Kendal, Westmorland, England Son
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Bridget Ohare 3 Kendal, Westmorland, England Daughter
James Canavan 45 Ireland Lodger S Carpenter
George Tierney 40 Ireland Lodger S General Labourer
Peter Campbell 38 Cumberland, England Lodger S General Labourer
John Simpson 31 Preston, Lancashire, England Lodger S General Labourer
John Burns 26 Ireland Lodger S General Labourer
Joseph Halliday 41 Ireland Lodger S General Labourer
William Smith 46 Ireland Lodger S General Labourer
John Walsh 25 Ireland Lodger S General Labourer
James Higgins 28 Ireland Lodger S General Labourer

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4332; Folio 40; Page 22; GSU roll: 6099442.
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4332; Folio 41; Page 23; GSU roll: 6099442.


Deaths Mar 1898 (>99%)
O'HARE Patrick 38 Kendal 10b 460

Marriages Sep 1900 (>99%)
Cragg Christopher Kendal 10b 1253
Murphy Peter Kendal 10b 1253
O'Hare Mary Kendal 10b 1253
Riley Mabel Bell Kendal 10b 1253


1901 England Census
Civil parish: Lancaster
Ecclesiastical parish: Lancaster St Mary
Town: Lancaster
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 9 Bridge Lane
Registration district: Lancaster
Sub-registration district: Lancaster
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 147

Peter Murphy 40 Ireland Head M Corporation Labourer
Mary Murphy 35 Ireland Wife M
Thomas O'hall 11 Kendal, Westmorland, England Stepson
Barnard O'hall 8 Kendal, Westmorland, England Stepson
Owen O'hall 4 Kendal, Westmorland, England Stepson
Annie O'hall 3 Kendal, Westmorland, England Stepdaughter
Owen Murphy 30 Ireland Boarder S Bricklayer Labourer
Michael Lochmann 60 Ireland Boarder S Pedlar Hawk

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3989; Folio: 72; Page: 30.
[Image reads O"Hare, not O'hall - correction subm'd. Image reads Barnard & Owen, too]


Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
O'Hara Thomas Kendal 10b 726

Deaths Mar 1885 (>99%)
O'Hara Thomas 0 Kendal 10b 491

Births Sep 1888 (>99%)
O'HARE Bridget Bootle 10b 663
[Bootle RD did include Millom thru 1939q1]

Births Dec 1890 (>99%)
O'Hara Thomas Kendal 10b 393 [bad page #]

Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
O'Hare Barnett Kendal 10b 743
[I believe this is Barnard - if I were to buy this b.cert, I would definitely get it from Kendal RO, not the GRO]

Births Sep 1895 (>99%)
O'Hare Holme Kendal 10b 757
[I believe this is Owen - if I were to buy this b.cert, I would definitely get it from Kendal RO, not the GRO]

Births Dec 1897 (>99%)
O'Hare Annie Kendal 10b 716

Certificates rules everytime !
Thanks for the feedback.

Always glad to hear a mystery is solved! Thanks for letting us know.

Hi All

Just to tell everyone who have tried to help me, on this one. I decided earlier in the week to order a copy of Annie Dewhurst's death certificate. Which I received today, and it would appear that she was the sister of my Nana Bridget. They were no longer at Churchtown, Garstang, at the time of her death, but were living in Garstang itself. The certificate states she was born 19/10/1897 at Kendal Westmorland. Just a day out with what it says on her birth certificate, but the place of birth matches, and maiden surname O'Hare. Informant was Zacharias Parkinson Dewhurst, her Husband. So, Mystery solved.

Many thanks, to all who sent me messages.

Janey

Thanks for the tips. Have now got my Annie's birth certificate, say's born 20/10/1897 Kirkland, Kendal Westmorland. Which matches the info I was given a while ago, that I put in my to verify pile. I tried to find a baptism record for her, to avoid paying for the Birth Certificate and getting the wrong one, but no luck and had to go for the Birth in the end.
Ancestry deaths have Annie Dewhurst's birth 19/10/1897, just a day out. My gut instinct tells me this is the same person, but because she put her Step-Father on the marriage register there's a nagging doubt. I have had a quick look at Census records and haven't seen another Annie yet, that would rule out mine being the one at Churchtown Garstang. I think I will now take a chance and pay for Annie D's Death Certificate. 1971's should have "Where Born" listed and D.O.B.
Maybe the O'Hare family you found in 1891 are some relation to mine, that I haven't found a link to yet?. My Grandmother Bridget was born in Millom 1888, but by 1891 Census the family show as living at Kirkland Kendal. By 1901 father's deceased, mother re-married, they lived in a different area and Bridget does not show as living with them or anywhere else on the Census for England and Wales. Someone distantly related to her, found her on the Irish 1901 and sent me a copy, from the people she was listed with, I could confirm it was her. Sadly they don't know what happened to Annie after the 1911.

Many thanks

Katriona, please do reply in the thread, not by private message, so we don't have to tote the information back and forth.


So the question is whether this Annie, who is your Annie:

1911
O HARE, Annie Sister In Law F 13 1898 School Westmorland Kendal

is the Annie who married Dewhurst.

Just curious -- the only O'Hares I find in 1891 born in Cumberland are the cihldren in tihs household:

John Ohare 33
Catherine Ohare 34
Cornelius Ohare 11
Peter Ohare 9
James Ohare 8
John Ohare 6
William Ohare 5
Margaret Ohare 4
Francis Ohare 2 Months

Civil parish: Millom
County/Island: Cumberland


Are yours just badly transcribed at Ancestry or some such?


If this is your Annie:

Births Dec 1897
O'Hare Annie - Kendal 10b 716

Then do you have the date of birth on that certificate to compare to the date of birth on the Dewhurst death record?

It certainly matches by quarter/year. I think that's your best chance of confirming the match -- keeping in mind that birth info on death records for people born in that era isn't always correct, but usually it's the year rather than the birthday that will be off.

PM RECEIVED ...

That's my Annie but not Bridget

Received your PMs, Katriona. Yes, it would have been infinitely better if you had said you'd done some research already, e.g. all the births etc. I was on about, the marriage certificate info ...

A father on a marriage certificate composed of a stepfather's given name and father's surname (or vice versa) and the father's occupation (or vice versa) isn't unheard of at all, in fact, so it doesn't rule that marriage out, or prove it's her. Bummer.

But ... can the Annie on that marriage certificate be ruled out herself by some other means, specifically a census? If she doesn't have existence independent of your Annie, the odds get better ... but then, that's trying to prove a negative, and it's seldom possible. ;)

So Sorry

I have just realised that I forgot to state that I had already done some research on the family and found Dewhurst Children, whose mother's maiden name was O'hare and Registered at Garstang. I have added details to my trees already. I never meant to mislead anyone, I was just trying to prove if she was my Annie or not.

That's okay, think nothing of it, I don't mind at all spending 15 minutes of my life "finding" things that someone already knew but didn't bother mentioning. Don't mention it!

Thanks to all who have replied so far.
I have tried search trees with no luck. And I realise its unlikely that living relatives might see my message , but it was worth a try. A bit of a long shot but I was kind of hoping that someone might see the message that knows the family. I have seen a copy of the marriage certificate the age matches, the problem is my Annie's father died when she was 6 months old and the Father's Christian name on that Marriage Certificate matches her Step-Father's. Though his occupation matches her biological Father's, so it may or may not be her., no help there really?

Annie, Owen and Bridget should all be together on 1901 census if they are same family.

Checking both marriage certs of Annie and Bridget would tell you if they had same father.

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Marriages Jun 1907 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CLARKE Thomas Lancaster 8e 1644
FOSTER Laura Harriet Lancaster 8e 1644
>>>>>O'HARE Bridget - Lancaster 8e 1644
SEDDON Richard Lancaster 8e 1644


Maybe this is Bridget's birth ( but again year is out)
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Births Mar 1886
O'HARE Bridget - Lancaster 8e 290

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1916

DEWHURST Zacharias Parkinson - O'HARE Annie -
Fulwood, Christ Church Preston

Oh look.

That member with the Dewhurst children in her tree IS you, by a different name; same member number.

Didn't I just waste my time, then?

What happened to that instruction about giving all the info that one has ... ?

Info not given is assumed not to be known.

One of the children -- assuming you don't have access to Ancestry for recent deaths:

Name: Bernard Dewhurst
Birth Date: 12 Feb 1923
Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1995
Age at death (estimated): 71
Registration district: Lancaster
Inferred County: Lancashire
Register number: B51B
District and Subdistrict: 5871B
Entry Number: 38


He is in at least one person's tree here at GR.

Use the Search Trees button and search for that name, dob 1923 +/- 2 years.

That GR member also has Richard Dewhurst 1919, another of the Dewhurst-O'Hare children, in her tree.

Actually, if you search trees here for Dewhurst born in Garstang 1925 +/- 10 years, you will find the member with the full batch of five Dewhurst-O'Hare children in her tree.

... That member's surname suggests a connection with you ...

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Births Dec 1897
O'Hare Annie - Kendal 10b 716
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?????
Only one I can see for Cumberland but date doesn't match

Births Dec 1898
O'HARE Bridget - Whitehaven 10b 628
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