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I'm trying to find relatives of Annie O'Hare born 1897. She married Z P Dewhurst at Preston in 1916 and they lived in Churchtown,Garstang, Lancashire. I am trying to determine if she was my grandmother Bridget's sister, as I was told years ago that we had relatives living there. Bridget was born 1888 in Cumberland and her sister Annie 20/10/1897 in Westmorland.
Annie Dewhurst died 20/03/1971 aged 73 and was buried in the Churchyard of St Helen at Churchtown Garstang. One death record gives year of death 1971 and date of birth 19/10/1897. Hoping living relatives of Annie Dewhurst see my message and are able to help me. I have family history info to exchange.

highly unlikely anyone with knowledge of this family will see your posting - you have to look for them - use the Search Trees tab top of this page to see if there are any connections on this site - if you strike lucky you can contact theowner of the tree through GR

Good luck

CLARKE, Thomas Head Married M 26 1885 Labourer Lancs Lancaster VIEW
CLARKE, Bridget Wife Married
4 years F 22 1889 Cumberland Millom VIEW
CLARKE, Alfred Son M 3 1908 Lancs Lancaster VIEW
CLARKE, John Son M 2 1909 Lancs Lancaster VIEW
CLARKE, Bernard Son M 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Lancs Lancaster VIEW
WOODS, Henry Boarder Single M 5 1906 Station Out Porter Durham Sunderland VIEW
O HARE, Owen Brother In Law Single M 15 1896 Labourer Westmorland Kendal VIEW
O HARE, Annie Sister In Law F 13 1898 School Westmorland Kendal VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
25533 Reference:
RG14PN25533 RG78PN1461 RD479 SD3 ED9 SN203

Registration District:
Lancaster Sub District:
Lancaster Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Lancaster

Address:
3 Ross Yard Lancaster

It's highly unlikely that anyone related will ever see a message on these boards. Consider the odds ...

Have you searched trees for anyone with these names in their trees?

The question can be conclusively settled by ordering Annie O'Hare's marriage certificate, most likely -- it will give her age and father's name.

The registration details will be at

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Someone will undoubtedly start doing all this ... but you can search yourself for Dewhurst births with mother O'Hare at FreeBMD, to start building a list of names to trace forward, if you haven't already. FreeBMD shows five births 1917-1932 (too recent in the last few cases to post here as they may be living).

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Births Dec 1897
O'Hare Annie - Kendal 10b 716
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Only one I can see for Cumberland but date doesn't match

Births Dec 1898
O'HARE Bridget - Whitehaven 10b 628
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One of the children -- assuming you don't have access to Ancestry for recent deaths:

Name: Bernard Dewhurst
Birth Date: 12 Feb 1923
Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1995
Age at death (estimated): 71
Registration district: Lancaster
Inferred County: Lancashire
Register number: B51B
District and Subdistrict: 5871B
Entry Number: 38


He is in at least one person's tree here at GR.

Use the Search Trees button and search for that name, dob 1923 +/- 2 years.

That GR member also has Richard Dewhurst 1919, another of the Dewhurst-O'Hare children, in her tree.

Actually, if you search trees here for Dewhurst born in Garstang 1925 +/- 10 years, you will find the member with the full batch of five Dewhurst-O'Hare children in her tree.

... That member's surname suggests a connection with you ...

Oh look.

That member with the Dewhurst children in her tree IS you, by a different name; same member number.

Didn't I just waste my time, then?

What happened to that instruction about giving all the info that one has ... ?

Info not given is assumed not to be known.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1916

DEWHURST Zacharias Parkinson - O'HARE Annie -
Fulwood, Christ Church Preston

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Marriages Jun 1907 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CLARKE Thomas Lancaster 8e 1644
FOSTER Laura Harriet Lancaster 8e 1644
>>>>>O'HARE Bridget - Lancaster 8e 1644
SEDDON Richard Lancaster 8e 1644


Maybe this is Bridget's birth ( but again year is out)
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Births Mar 1886
O'HARE Bridget - Lancaster 8e 290

Annie, Owen and Bridget should all be together on 1901 census if they are same family.

Checking both marriage certs of Annie and Bridget would tell you if they had same father.

Thanks to all who have replied so far.
I have tried search trees with no luck. And I realise its unlikely that living relatives might see my message , but it was worth a try. A bit of a long shot but I was kind of hoping that someone might see the message that knows the family. I have seen a copy of the marriage certificate the age matches, the problem is my Annie's father died when she was 6 months old and the Father's Christian name on that Marriage Certificate matches her Step-Father's. Though his occupation matches her biological Father's, so it may or may not be her., no help there really?

That's okay, think nothing of it, I don't mind at all spending 15 minutes of my life "finding" things that someone already knew but didn't bother mentioning. Don't mention it!

So Sorry

I have just realised that I forgot to state that I had already done some research on the family and found Dewhurst Children, whose mother's maiden name was O'hare and Registered at Garstang. I have added details to my trees already. I never meant to mislead anyone, I was just trying to prove if she was my Annie or not.

Received your PMs, Katriona. Yes, it would have been infinitely better if you had said you'd done some research already, e.g. all the births etc. I was on about, the marriage certificate info ...

A father on a marriage certificate composed of a stepfather's given name and father's surname (or vice versa) and the father's occupation (or vice versa) isn't unheard of at all, in fact, so it doesn't rule that marriage out, or prove it's her. Bummer.

But ... can the Annie on that marriage certificate be ruled out herself by some other means, specifically a census? If she doesn't have existence independent of your Annie, the odds get better ... but then, that's trying to prove a negative, and it's seldom possible. ;)

PM RECEIVED ...

That's my Annie but not Bridget

Katriona, please do reply in the thread, not by private message, so we don't have to tote the information back and forth.


So the question is whether this Annie, who is your Annie:

1911
O HARE, Annie Sister In Law F 13 1898 School Westmorland Kendal

is the Annie who married Dewhurst.

Just curious -- the only O'Hares I find in 1891 born in Cumberland are the cihldren in tihs household:

John Ohare 33
Catherine Ohare 34
Cornelius Ohare 11
Peter Ohare 9
James Ohare 8
John Ohare 6
William Ohare 5
Margaret Ohare 4
Francis Ohare 2 Months

Civil parish: Millom
County/Island: Cumberland


Are yours just badly transcribed at Ancestry or some such?


If this is your Annie:

Births Dec 1897
O'Hare Annie - Kendal 10b 716

Then do you have the date of birth on that certificate to compare to the date of birth on the Dewhurst death record?

It certainly matches by quarter/year. I think that's your best chance of confirming the match -- keeping in mind that birth info on death records for people born in that era isn't always correct, but usually it's the year rather than the birthday that will be off.

Janey

Thanks for the tips. Have now got my Annie's birth certificate, say's born 20/10/1897 Kirkland, Kendal Westmorland. Which matches the info I was given a while ago, that I put in my to verify pile. I tried to find a baptism record for her, to avoid paying for the Birth Certificate and getting the wrong one, but no luck and had to go for the Birth in the end.
Ancestry deaths have Annie Dewhurst's birth 19/10/1897, just a day out. My gut instinct tells me this is the same person, but because she put her Step-Father on the marriage register there's a nagging doubt. I have had a quick look at Census records and haven't seen another Annie yet, that would rule out mine being the one at Churchtown Garstang. I think I will now take a chance and pay for Annie D's Death Certificate. 1971's should have "Where Born" listed and D.O.B.
Maybe the O'Hare family you found in 1891 are some relation to mine, that I haven't found a link to yet?. My Grandmother Bridget was born in Millom 1888, but by 1891 Census the family show as living at Kirkland Kendal. By 1901 father's deceased, mother re-married, they lived in a different area and Bridget does not show as living with them or anywhere else on the Census for England and Wales. Someone distantly related to her, found her on the Irish 1901 and sent me a copy, from the people she was listed with, I could confirm it was her. Sadly they don't know what happened to Annie after the 1911.

Many thanks

Hi All

Just to tell everyone who have tried to help me, on this one. I decided earlier in the week to order a copy of Annie Dewhurst's death certificate. Which I received today, and it would appear that she was the sister of my Nana Bridget. They were no longer at Churchtown, Garstang, at the time of her death, but were living in Garstang itself. The certificate states she was born 19/10/1897 at Kendal Westmorland. Just a day out with what it says on her birth certificate, but the place of birth matches, and maiden surname O'Hare. Informant was Zacharias Parkinson Dewhurst, her Husband. So, Mystery solved.

Many thanks, to all who sent me messages.

Always glad to hear a mystery is solved! Thanks for letting us know.