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hi all,
could any please help with a marriage of elizabeth wainman born in armley in 1816married to a page.
i have her in 1941- living with her mother martha wainman.armley yorkshire martha is 50 and and elizabeth page 25.she also has son with her thomas william page. age 4.
then in 1851 martha is mistranscribed as mathew wainman. with her elizabeth page widow age 35 and her son thomas page 17. also a brother george wainman 34 as widow with his daughter sarah ann wainman.
Also a marriage for martha would be very helpfull as ive reached a dead end...all very frustrating..
thanks in advance.

sorry than should be 1841 and 1851!

from familysearch
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ELIZABETH WAINMAN --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: WILLIAM PAGE
Marriage: 12 DEC 1836 Saint Peter, Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Possible death for William ?

Deaths Mar 1841
PAGE William - Leeds 23 304

THOMAS WAINMAN PAGE
Birth:
Christening: 26 MAR 1837 Armley, Yorkshire, England

Parents:
Father: WM. PAGE
Mother: ELIZH.

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EDIT - NO NO, THIS IS NOT son Thomas in 1881

Household:

Eliza PAGE Head U Female 40 Leeds, Kent, England Occasionally Employed On The Land
Laura PAGE Daur U Female 19 Leeds, Kent, England Occasionally Employed On The Land
Eliza PAGE Daur U Female 17 Leeds, Kent, England Occasionally Employed On The Land
William PAGE Son U Male 15 Leeds, Kent, England Ag Lab
Rose PAGE Daur Female 11 Leeds, Kent, England Scholar
Annie PAGE Daur Female 9 Leeds, Kent, England Scholar
Albert PAGE Son Male 2 Leeds, Kent, England
William PAGE Grandson Male 3 m Leeds, Kent, England
>>>>>>>>>Thomas PAGE Brother U Male 44 Leeds, Kent, England Ag Lab
Henry PAGE Brother U Male 34 Leeds, Kent, England Ag Lab

:
Dwelling Upper St
Census Place Leeds, Kent, England

I wanted to figure out what registration district Armely is in, to check for Page deaths at

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

but I can't find Thomas Page aged 3 in Armley in 1841 ...

Here we are, searching for Martha Wainman instead:


Name: Martha Wainman
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Bramley Ward
Hundred: Leeds Borough
County/Island: Yorkshire

Martha Wainman 50
Elizabeth Page 25
James Page 4


Is "James" a mistranscription at Ancestry? ... Yes. (It's always a good idea to make corrections there and note your relationship, so people can find the record adn contact you.)

Thinking the son may have been named after the father ... there are no Thomas Page deaths 1837-1841 in Leeds reg dist.

There are only four male deaths in that period -- Joseph, James, John and William. Perhaps Thomas William had his father's name as his middle name? It might be worth getting that certificate to see whether it holds info that could confirm, e.g. if wife Elizabeth was the informant.

Deaths Mar 1841
PAGE William Leeds 23 304

They did have the bad manners to have their child mere months before registration began. ;)

Births Dec 1839
PAGE Eliza - Leeds 23 367

And Mike was typing as I was searching -- coming at it from the other end, I was about to look for a marriage to match the death. ;)

Must say the 1881 census threw me .... Leeds, KENT ???

Where is Eliza Page 1839 in 1841??

I was thinking the same thing! -- born in Leeds, Yks, and coincidentally ended up in Leeds, Kent?? I thought it was one of Ancestry's stupidities, but it seems to be what the original is.

I know when my mum and I visited England, we got confused by Leeds Castle (in Kent) vs. Leeds. Leeds Castle is a sight we considered seeing but didn't have time for. Leeds (Yks) is where her wallet ended up after it was stolen on the train from London to Northamptonshire and emptied of contents. ;)

Speaking as a Lancastrian, I couldn't possibly comment !!!!!

Now that you mention it.... ..you got me thinking maybe that's the wrong Eliza Page .... but had another look and can't see any other possible.


So where is she in 1841 ?

And 1851 ...

Maybe luckynamoire will return to the thread and let us know where Thomas William Page is in later censuses, to see whether that one in 1881 in Kent is him.

You leapt too fast, Mike. ;) This is Thomas in 1881:

... if Ancestry will stop timing out on me ...


Name: Thomas W. Page
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Page
Where born: Arnley, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leicester St Margaret
County/Island: Leicestershire

Thomas W. Page 44
Ann Page 50
George Page 20
Edward Page 19
Emma Page 16
Hannah Page 13
Clara Page 11
Ann Page 6

Was just about to post same census ( will anyway with the details)
You beat me to it.... ( and I heard you the first time !)

That's why no Eliza in 1841... DOH !

Thomas W. PAGE Head M Male 44 Arnley, York, England Shoe Finisher
Ann PAGE Wife M Female 50 St Margarets, Leicester, England
George PAGE Son U Male 20 St Margarets, Leicester, England Shoe Finisher
Edward PAGE Son Male 19 St Margarets, Leicester, England Clicker (Shoe)
Emma PAGE Dau Female 16 St Margarets, Leicester, England Warehouse Hand (Factory)
Hannah PAGE Dau Female 13 St Margarets, Leicester, England Scholar
Clara PAGE Dau Female 11 St Margarets, Leicester, England Scholar
Ann PAGE Dau Female 6 St Margarets, Leicester, England Scholar

:
Dwelling 50 Craven St
Census Place Leicester St Margaret, Leicester, England

Yeah yeah. ;) I deleted the duplicate -- the problem must have been at my end, because Ancestry was timing out and GR was just churning and not posting ... so I clicked again. And again. Two of 'em took. ;) Apparently it's all the Netflix people watching movies on line and using up my bandwidth ...

thanks for all the input... yes this is the right family moved to leicester.
from armley yorkshire. in 1841 i have him at wasp nest armley and 1851 hill end armley. couldnt find him on ancestrry so looks like the mistranscript is right. i have thomas died 1905 leicester. just couldnt find the right father.not sure if thomas wasisman page is the same as the the thomas william page.
thanks for all your help will have a look again tonight. off to work now ;-(

sorry thomas in 1851 would be 14, he married ann ludlum in 1858.