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The Lizzie in 1911 is recorded as Elizabeth in 1901, where her family are living with John James' sister and her husband.

Whilst Lizzie was the only match in 1911, there are a few possibilities for Alfred so the 1916 marriage certificate is definitely needed to get his father's name.

Possible 1911 for Elizabeth?

LELLAND, John James Head Married M 45 1866 Painter And Paper Hanger Brookly U S a of Dists Parents
LELLAND, Mary Wife Marrid F 44 1867 Home Warrington Lanshire St Pull
LELLAND, George Son Single M 17 1894 Rope Maker Warington St Palls P
>>LELLEND, Lizzie Daughter Single F 14 1897 Weaver Warrington St Palls P
LELLEND, Edward James Son Single M 10 1901 School Warrington St Palls P
LELLAND, Ada Daughter Single F 8 1903 School

Registration District: Warrington Sub District: Warrington Enumeration District: 31 Parish: Warrington

Address: 23 Catherine St Warrington County: Lancashire

** John and Mary had been married 18 years. Five children born, 4 still alive. The one who died was John James who would have been 12 (his details had been entered and "died" written next to it).

Possible marriage for John and Mary:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1892
Lelland John James Warrington 8c 309
Rogers Mary Warrington 8c 309

Just working on a hunch from clues/info found at CWGC.

HARRIS, WILFRED
Age: 25
Date of Death: 30/12/1943
Son of Alfred and Elizabeth Harris

Births Sep 1918 (>99%)
Harris Wilfred Lelland Warrington 8c 329

Marriages Jun 1916 (>99%)
Harris Alfred Lelland Warrington 8c 306
Lelland Elizabeth Harris Warrington 8c 306

clue !!The marriage is 1941. the cert should name their fathers .Although you do know from the CWGC that Wilfreds dad was Alfred

looks like dad could be Ronald Wilfred Charles
Name: Ronald W C Harris
Mother's Maiden Surname: John >>>>>>>>>>
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1942
Registration district: Plymouth
Registration county: Devon/Cornwall/Seilly
Volume Number: 5b
Page Number: 508

mmn was John so you can look on FreeBMD for a marriage for Wilfred to a Muriel Edna John.

Isnt you dad still alive so you can ask him ?

Heres Wilfred from the CQGC site which names his parents and his wifes name
Name: HARRIS, WILFRED
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Stoker 1st Class
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M.S. Prince of Wales
Age: 25
Date of Death: 30/12/1943
Service No: D/KX95750
Additional information: Son of Alfred and Elizabeth Harris; husband of Muriel Edna Harris, of Plymouth. >>>>>>>>>>>>
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 4. D. 14.
Cemetery: KANCHANABURI WAR CEMETERY

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Your request is a bit hard to follow without punctuation. So reading it as dad was Ronald(Charles) Harris born 1942 Plymouth.His dad was Wilfred(Charles) Harris died 1943. You are looking for info on Wilfred's parentage ??

If so you need to buy some certs ie dads birth cert which will give his parents names .Then look for their marriage and get the cert, this will tell you their ages at marriage and the fathers names .if known.

hello im a bit stuck and frustrated my father is ronald possibly charles harris born 1942 plymouth his dad my grandfather wilred posibly charles harris stoker 1st class royal navy died 1943 thialand sultan buried war cematery thialand his wife muriel possibly e harris ( allthough i thought her name was edna not shure need some help please to trace my grand father and grandmother .my great grand parents i beleive where alfred and elizabeth