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Can anyone help me please! I have a William Bishop born 1872/4 born Clerkenwell,London. i have him and his family in the 1901 census and his marriage cert - William Bishop age 22 father william
Rebecca Bowen "20 " "
St Paul Clerkenwell 1894
I just cannot trace him back any further so any help would be appreciated

Have you found him in 1911 (just in case other family members are with him?)
And what professions are he and his father?

1901 for ref

Name: William Bishop
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rebecca Bishop
Gender: Male
Where born: Clenkenwell, London, England

Civil parish: St Luke Old Street
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Charterhouse
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Finsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 120
Piece: 261
Folio: 104
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bishop 27
Rebecca Bishop 25
John Bishop 5
James Bishop 2
Mary Bishop 10 Month

Hi,no,i could.nt find them.

William was a costermonger and his father was a bricklayer on the marriage cert

Do you have the marriage cert with both the Williams occupations?

Any witness names?

Ann

OK,
He is a horsekeeper groom on 1901 census, at St Thomas Place.
Sorry, added to my post above - what was his father's profession on the marriage certificate?
Also, did they all stay in this country?
Thanks

Added
We seem to keep on cross-posting, thanks for extra information.

Here's the marriage details~


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: William Bishop < Costermonger
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Spouse Name: Rebecca Bowen
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 18 Mar 1894
Parish: St Paul, Clerkenwell
County: London
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Bishop < Bricklayer

Rebecca's father's name was William Bowen - Jeweller.

Address for both is St Thomas Place. Witnesses Alfred Jarman, Irene (?) Higgins.

There is a note at the bottom of the page which says "Same afternoon stabbed a police and is in prison". It doesn't say who did this.

Witnesses Alfred Jarman and Annie Higgins.They all stayed in this country except James who went to Canada.

Yes i know,thats another puzzle to solve!

Doreen, is that your tree on Ancestry that has 15 children born to William and Rebecca?

I've searched the 1911 census and am struggling to find the earlier born children.

HI guys, thanks for your help, i don't know if this helps, the last known address i have is 38, Bath Street, London

Yes that is my tree, the earlier children have left and some have died in infancy

Doreen,

Have you checked for deaths re William&Rebecca?

Could this be John their son?

census - household transcription
Person: BISHOP, John
Institution: St John Industrial School, ST JOHN'S SCHOOL

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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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BISHOP, John Inmate Single M 15 1896 School Shoemaker London St Lukes VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9762 Reference:
RG14PN9762 RD188 SD10 ED89 SN9999

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
Walthamstow Enumeration District:
89 Parish:
Woodford

Address:
Shernhall St Walthamstow County:
Essex

These are the only William/William born 1871/1873 in London

William Alfred Bishop 23 Apr 1871 William Jenkins Bishop,
Charlotte Bishop Kensington St James Norlands Kensington and Chelsea

William George Bishop 21 Nov 1873 William George Bishop,
Annie Bishop Hoxton St Saviour Hackney

Neither look that likely.
Did your William ever use any middle names?

Yes that is him,as i said earlier his brother went to Canada,ive found the children but William the dad is stopping me going back any further

No middle names were ever used

Hi am just off to look up the paperwork and see if there is anything i have missed,will check in later

There is this William Bishop born 1873 in Clerkenwell on the 1881 census..

1881 census - household transcription
Person: BISHOP, William
Address: 22, Paradise Ple, Islington

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
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BISHOP, John W Head Married M 50 1831 Packer
Carshalton
Surrey
BISHOP, Nancy Wife Married F 49 1832
Clerkenwell
Middlesex
BISHOP, Henry Son Single M 18 1863 Machine Lad
Clerkenwell
Middlesex
BISHOP, Alice Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
Clerkenwell
Middlesex
BISHOP, William Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Clerkenwell
Middlesex

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Don't forget the fathers changed their jobs every few months because there may not have been jobs going,so had to take any job.

There is the parents marriage.....You will notice that he is John William but could have been know as William.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%)
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BISHOP John William Clerkenwell 1b 683
Blizard Nancy Clerkenwell 1b 683
Mountford Jane Clerkenwell 1b 683
WARNER Benjamin Buckley Clerkenwell 1b 683





RG number:
RG11 Piece:
265 Folio:
12 Page:
17

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
Islington East Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Islington Municipal Borough:
Address:
22, Paradise Ple, Islington County:
Middlesex



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so what your saying is, his father could be John William,it certainly looks promising,but how on earth can i prove it!