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Harry Geen c1878

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meefy

meefy Report 22 May 2011 07:27

I am having fun and games with this fella. Originally he was down as a Harry D Geen, though when I look at the census image directly it was blantantly a W and therefore seems to tally with a Harry Wickland Geen on birth records (Parents Samuel Geen & Martha Hollinshead). I have a few queries regarding him

However since this discovery, he seems to appear both in Cardiff with his parents and in Devon where he seems to be attending school, was it normal for someone to be on two?

Secondly I think I have him married in 1901 (to an Alice Potham), but the records state a its just a Harry Geen, whilst Harry Wickland Geen gets married in 1907 (to Gladys Winifred Carter) but seems to die before 1911. I cannot seem to find a death for Alice Geen for him to marry again, or for a death for Harry himself.

Are there two separate Harry's here, or is just one but confusing? Is there any other to resolve this aside from ordering the certificates?

Regards

Rhys

K

K Report 22 May 2011 07:40

This appears to be the one who married Alice in 1901

1911

GEEN, Harry Head Married M 29 1882 Police Constable Cardiff VIEW
GEEN, Alice Wife Married
10 years F 31 1880 Pontypridd VIEW
GEEN, William George Son Single M 10 1901 School Cardiff VIEW
GEEN, Leslie John Son Single M 1 1910 Cardiff VIEW
POTHAN, Jane Mother In Law Widow F 73 1838 Stockinwood Chesbury VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
32150 Reference:
RG14PN32150 RG78PN1847 RD588 SD4 ED18 SN277

Registration District:
Cardiff Sub District:
West Cardiff Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Cardiff

Address:
32 Albert St Canton Cardiff County:
Glamorganshire

K

K Report 22 May 2011 07:44

This appears to be the widow of Harry Wickland Geen in 1911

CARTER, Margaret Alice Head Widow F 58 1853 Barbados B W I VIEW
GEEN, Gladys Winifred Daughter Widow F 26 1885 Anerley London SE VIEW
CARTER, Vivian Roe Son Single M 23 1888 Book-Keeping Clerk Anerley London SE VIEW
BARRETT, Harold Boarder Single M 22 1889 Dental Student Stamford Hill Msex VIEW
TURNER, Annie Louisa Emma Servant Single F 23 1888 Croydon Surrey VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2322 Reference:
RG14PN2322 RG78PN78A RD26 SD5 ED37 SN77

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
Streatham Enumeration District:
37 Parish:
Wandsworth Borough

Address:
Normanby Prentis Road Streatham SW County:
London

Astra

Astra Report 22 May 2011 07:45

Can you explain how he is related to you. If he is a close relative then you will know what children he had and who is the next in line.

Harry Green born Cardiff is the son of John and Caroline Green. John was a blacksmith.

K

K Report 22 May 2011 07:59

The 1891 Harry Geen's at home in 1891 and in Devon do appear to be the same person. He is listed as at school in the Cardiff image.

I wonder if bigamy is a possiblity, but the 1911 Harry in Cardiff is younger born in 1882

Eames

Eames Report 22 May 2011 08:04

I think his parent included him in the census despite not at home but elsewhere.

Eames

Eames Report 22 May 2011 08:17

Hmm strange, looking at Harry's service record.. He stated born around 1879

marrying Alice Potham 16th Sept 1900 in Cardiff

Children

William George 21 Feb 1901 - enlisted 16th Oct 1915
Leslie John 17th Jan 1910
Clifford Leonard 10th Aug 1912
Cynthia Rose 31st July 1914

Address Rudry Rd, Bedwas Nr Caephilly.

K

K Report 22 May 2011 08:43

I think this is the 1911 Harry Geen in 1891 with parents John and Caroline as Astra posted. He appears to have been registered as Henry . But when did Harry Wickland Geen die?

Name: Harry Green
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Green
Mother's name: Caroline Green
Gender: Male
Where born: Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Canton
Ecclesiastical parish: Canton
Town: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 42a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4398
Folio: 118
Page Number: 94
Household Members:
Name Age
John Green 52
Caroline Green 36
Beatrice Green 12
Harry Green 9
Evangeline Green 7
Alfred Green 5
Mary Green 3

meefy

meefy Report 23 May 2011 20:21

Sorry, I forgot I posted this.

It just looks like a simple case of lying about ages to me, and in fact Harry Wickland Geen isn't my Geen, its another Harry Geen whose birth doesn;t seem to have been recorded anywhere. Would you agree?

K

K Report 24 May 2011 08:14

I think this could possibly be the Harry Geen listed in Cardiff in 1911 if he is your ancester . i agree that the Harry Geen in 1911 does not appear to be Harry Wickland Geen.

Births Mar 1882 (>99%)
Geen Henry Cardiff 11a 260