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Harry Lammiman married Annie Elizabeth Parkhouse in May 1887 in St Marylebone. His age is given as 24 on marriage cert. He died Marylebone 1905 at 42, so both point to an 1863 birth. His father at time of marriage is William Lammiman, deceased fishmonger.
I have two Wm Lammiman's who are fishmongers, one b 1812 and his son William b 1836. I have no marriage for the son....
The trouble is I can't find a birth for Harry, nor can I find him in 1871 nor 1881 census.
The whole family came from the Kensington Area except for the elder William who is from Lincs.

Can anyone help me to fit Harry to the family (and name his mother?)

Peter

Hi,

this marriage is of a fishmonger;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about William Lammiman
Name: William Lammiman
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Spouse Name: Rosanna Sanders
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 06 Jul 1840
Parish: St James, Paddington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: William Lammiman >> Fishmonger
Spouse Father Name: Septimus Sanders



Now this would mean that 23 years later they had a son Harry, not impossible but maybe a more likely case is that they had a daughter who had a son out of wedlock.... Harry?? He then gave his grandfathers name and occupation on his marriage??? This happened in my own ancestry.


Dee x

Is this him in 1901?

1901 census transcription details for: 79, Devonshire Street, St Marylebone
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13 Piece: 114 Folio: 102 Page: 2

Reg. District: Marylebone Sub District: Christchurch
Parish: St Marylebone Enum. District: 15
Ecclesiastical District: Christ Church City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 79, Devonshire Street, St Marylebone
County: London
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
LAMMIMAN, Harry Head Married M 38 1863 Cellarman
Marylebone
London
LAMMIMAN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 38 1863
Paddington
London
LAMMIMAN, Edith Daughter F 12 1889
Marylebone
London
LAMMIMAN, Rose Daughter F 10 1891
Marylebone
London

This is the family from the marriage I posted;

1851 England Census
about William Lammanan
Name: William Lammanan
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Son
Father's name: Wm Lammanan
Mother's name: Rosamoina Lammanan
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 1489
Folio: 159
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Lammanan 43
Rosamoina Lammanan 30
William Lammanan 15
Lovia Lammanan 9
Eliza Lammanan 8
Rosamana Lammanan 7

Hi
That's the 1811 William - he already has a son William by his first wife, Charlotte. He also has a son 1839 named Harry.
Harry 1863 states his father is William Lammiman - but I can't find him before his marriage...
Peter

1871 England Census
about Henry Lamian
Name: Henry Lamian
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Lamian
Mother's name: Kate Lamian
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone
Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 415
Piece: 172
Folio: 35
Page Number: 61
Household Members: Name Age
William Lamian 60 >>>>>>>> FISH MONGER!!
Kate Lamian 50
Louisa Lamian 18
>>>>>>>>>Henry Lamian 8
Joseph Lamian 40
Elizabeth Pearce 18
Henry Pearce 7

1861 England Census
about Louisa Leliam
Name: Louisa Leliam
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Leliam
Mother's name: Mary H Leliam
Gender: Female
Where born: St Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 206
Piece: 80
Folio: 91
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
William Leliam 53 >>>>>> Fish monger
Mary H Leliam 43
Eliza Leliam 18
Rose Leliam 16
Lydia Leliam 20
Louisa Leliam 7


So the 1871 and the 1851 census that I posted are for the same family, so it looks like William born C.1812 did have a son Henry........ this name was often "shortened" to Harry!!

Ye gods! How many wives has William had? Charlotte, Rosanna, Mary H, Kate....and that's without the variety of spelling!

Peter

This could be Harrys birth reg;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1862 (>99%)
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LEMMEEMA* Henry Marylebone 1a 446


Looking at the image it looks like LEMMERMAN


Deex

THANKYOU - that closes the loop.

Only 1881 to find him now.

Peter