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Hi
Please could someone look up
DAVID BALDWIN 1856 BURTON ON TRENT

i am after details of his wife and children

I have him in 1901/1891 living with a mary kirby
in 1891 he is down as married, she is single
in 1901 they are both down as married, but she is still using the name kirby

the only marriage for them, that i can find is in 1913, but i have 2 other poss marriages for DAVID
1905 to sarah annie edmonds
1879 elizabeth perkins

any help or ideas please

1911

BALDWIN, David Head Married M 55 1856 Coal Miner Hewer Staffs Burton
BALDWIN, Mary Wife Married 32 years F 54 1857 Leicesters Measham
BALDWIN, Lily Daughter Single F 21 1890 General Servant Domestic Derbys Ch Gresley
BALDWIN, Thomas Son Single M 16 1895 Pony Driver Underground Derbys Ch Gresley
BALDWIN, Alice Daughter F 11 1900 School Derbys Ch Gresley
BALDWIN, Maria Daughter F 9 1902 Derbys Ch Gresley
RG number: RG14 Piece: 16772 Reference: RG14PN16772 RG78PN1041 RD365 SD3 ED3 SN246

Registration District: Burton upon Trent Sub District: Gresley Enumeration District: 3 Parish: Church Gresley

Address: Oxford St Church Gresley Near Burton Trent County: Staffordshire

Children: 12, living 11.

Head scratching time!

BALDWIN, David Head Married M 55 1856 Coal Miner Hewer Staffs Burton
BALDWIN, Mary Wife MarriedF 54 1857 Leicesters Measham
BALDWIN, Lily Daughter Single F 21 1890 General Servant Domestic Derbys Ch Gresley
BALDWIN, Thomas Son Single M 16 1895 Pony Driver Underground Derbys Ch Gresley
BALDWIN, Alice Daughter F 11 1900 School Derbys Ch Gresley
BALDWIN, Maria Daughter F 9 1902 Derbys Ch Gresley

They said married for 32 years

Oxford St Church Gresley Near Burton Trent

thank you
wonder why in 1891/1901 she is down as kirkby????
could have been living as man and wife but didnt get married till 1913?????

in 1891 Catherine (daughter) was listed as BALDWIN b c1879 but in 1881 she was KIRBY/KIRBEY.

I would assume that they meant 32 years together, rather the actual of being husband and wife.

1881 too!

1881 England Census

Name: David Baldwin
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Burton Trent, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Church Gresley
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address: 12 Church St

Registration district: Burton Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Gresley

Household Members:
Name Age
David Baldwin 25
Mary Kirbey 24 Where born: Measham, Derbyshire, England
Hannah Kirbey 4
Catherine Kirbey 2

The 1879 marriage to Elizabeth Perkins seems unlikely as this is David in 1881 - there are no others in the household:

David BALDWIN Household
Male
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Other Information:
Birth Year
Birthplace Burton Trent, Stafford, England
Age 25
Occupation
Marital Status U
Head of Household David BALDWIN
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Source Information:
Dwelling 12 Church St
Census Place Church Gresley, Derby, England
Family History Library Film 1341660
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2757 / 56
Page Number 16

It is possible that, if it is your David, they were estranged??

Vanessa, isn't the David 1881 above likely to be him as living with Mary Kirby? Your idea of estrangement might still holds though.
Jan

There are a few trees with him on Ancestry, one at least has the marriage to Elizabeth Perrkins in Derbyshire. Whether this is fact or speculation hard to say! It does have the exact date though which implies they might have the cert?

1879
17 Feb
Age: 23
Marriage to Elizabeth PERKINS
Egginton, Derbyshire, England


Jan

I have been looking at the census details for David from 1861 to 1911.

I think David lived with Mary Kirby as common law wife until they married in 1913. Reason: Hannah was born 1877 and Maria 1902, with 10 children in between all registered as son/daughter on census, so I don't think he had time to marry anyone else.

P.S. Just looked at the David that married Elizabeth Perkins on Familysearch, I do not think it would be your David.

Edit: The best way to check would be to get the 1913 certificate.

Hi Jan

Scenario given if the marriage to Elizabeth Perkins was this David as definitely just him showing on 1881 from familysearch.. Just re-checked to be sure.
His birth info seems to be consistent throughout the census, suggesting this as his possible christening:

DAVID BALDWIN Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 16 SEP 1855 Burton Upon Trent, Stafford, England

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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM BALDWIN Family
Mother: ANN
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date

hi
my davids parents were james and hannah

it looks like james dies young as he is on neither the 61/71 census with hannah and david.

will have to order a few certs to comfirm a few details i think

thank you all for your help