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Thanks again for area info ..I should have looked at a map of the area before .
Best regards
C :-) :-)

Hi all who have replied ,

1861 census for my Wilshaws plus Martha Batty granddaughter .

132 Chequers Clayton Le Moors Lancashire

Martha Batty b 14/10/1854 Scotforth Lancaster living there with her grandparents :
William Wilshaw and Margaret ms Moore .

William Wilshaw b1804 Burton in Kendal Westmorland
Margaret Moore bc 1803 Ingleton Yorkshire

4 of their children still living with them
Alice Wilshaw bc 1835 Ingleton Yorkshire
Thomas Wilshaw bc1842 Ingleton Yorkshire
William Wilshaw bc 1849 Ingleton Yorkshire
Margaret Wilshaw bc1849 Bentham Yorkshire plus Martha Batty granddaughter b 1854 Scotforth Lancaster .

RG9/3090

Martha Batty 1854 one of 11 Batty children .
Births of Batty children LancashireBMD

William Batty bc1824 Burton Yorkshire , Elizabeth Wilshaw b1827 c 06/05/1827 Burton in Kendal.
The 1849 Settle marriage could be the correct one for William Batty Elizabeth Wilshaw .

I have Martha Batty's marriage no problems with that .
My original query was for marriage for William Batty Elizabeth Wilshaw.

Thanks again everyone .
C XX :-D

Catherine................

Don't forget to use phonetic surname search on freebmd.....and don't have a closed mind about location.

Another look up at LancsBMD gets:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1850
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BATTY James Lancaster Preston WILSHAW LAN/14/87

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1851
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BATTY Margaret Lancaster Preston WILLSHAW LAN/16/62

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BATTY Mary Lancaster Preston WILLSHOW LAN/18/63

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1854
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BATTY Martha Lancaster Preston WILSHAW LAN/20/65

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1856
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BATTY Alice Lancaster Preston WILSHAW LAN/23/11

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1858
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BATTY Ellen Lancaster Preston WILSHOW LAN/25/63

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1861
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BATTY Samuel Darwen Blackburn WILSHAW D/33/60

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1862
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BATTY Thomas Darwen Blackburn WILSHAW D/36/39

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1864
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BATTY Robert Darwen Blackburn WILSHAW D/40/22

All these births are in the Lancaster sub-rego district of Lancaster RD (check the 1851 census).
Lancaster RD is now part of Lancashire RD, whose rego's are now held in Preston.

There are no deaths for Martha thru 1861, either on LancsBMD or FreeBMD




I don't have an Ancestry sub, so maybe someone could post the family in 1861, and (if I've got it right) Martha with her grandparents in 1861.

It would be useful to know the granparents' pob, and the pob of her uncle William.
I think you'll need to go back to 1851 for that. I'm hoping it will slot in with my last post.

Lets do an example lookup at
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Here I searched for all types of record thru 1851 with surname Wil*sh?w
(The wildcard * stands for any string of characters of length 0 or more;
the wilcard ? stands for a single character)


Deaths Dec 1839 (>99%)
Wilshaw William Lancaster 21 359

Births Sep 1843 (>99%)
WILLSHOW Jane Lancaster 21 465

Marriages Dec 1843 (>99%)
WILSHAW James Lancaster 21 375

Deaths Jun 1844 (>99%)
Wilshaw Jane Lancaster 21 304

Births Sep 1845 (>99%)
WILLSHAW William Lancaster 21 525

Births Jun 1848 (>99%)
Wilshaw Ellen Lancaster 21 545

Deaths Sep 1848 (>99%)
Wilshaw Ellen Lancaster 21 307
Wilshaw Ruth Lancaster 21 307


I believe Jane b 1843q3 d 1844q2 and William b 1843q3 are your Eliz's sibs.


Now lets look at the marr of James 1843q4.
If I click on the "Lancaster" link, then the more info "here" link, I see a list of the villages (incl Melling & Scotforth) in Lancaster RD.
If I click on the page # "375" link, I see a list of the names on that page.
Obviously, this should include James an his spouse, but one doesn't normally know which spouse is his.

Marriages Dec 1843 (>99%)
Balderstone Anthony Lancaster 21 375
BINGHAM William Lancaster 21 375
Cornthwaite Ruth Lancaster 21 375
ECCLES Eleanor Lancaster 21 375
Forster William Wigan 21 375
Mason William Lancaster 21 375
Norman Nancy Lancaster 21 375
WILLIAMSON Hannah Lancaster 21 375
WILSHAW James Lancaster 21 375

At this time there were 4 marrs per page (they later cut it down to the modern 2).
One can see a stray Wiganer above - his page # is really 575 (the correction has been made, but FreeBMD often seems to retain the old mistranscription).


At this point, one would often be stuck and have to resort to trying to spot James with Ruth on a later census.
However, some local ROs have their own index online, including most of Lancs & Durham. Check

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd

Here we want http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1843
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WILSHAW James CORNTHWAITE Ruth Lunesdale, Melling, St Wilfred Preston CE10/1/75

The others are

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1839
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
WILSHAW William 30 Lancaster Preston LAN/3/7

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1844
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
WILSHAW Jane 0 Lancaster Preston LAN/7/81

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1848
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
WILSHAW Ellen 0 Wray Preston WRY/1/78
WILSHAW Ruth 32 Wray Preston WRY/1/80

and

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1843
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILSHAW Jane Lancaster Preston MOORE LAN/7/50

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1845
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLSHAW William Lancaster Preston MOORE LAN/9/69

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1848
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILSHAW Ellen Wray Preston CORNTHWAITE WRY/2/57

Now we know James wed in Melling, we can check
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexp.html

Marriage: 29 Nov 1843 St Wilfrid, Melling in Lonsdale, Lancashire, England
James Wilshaw - of full age Coachman Bachelor of Manchester
Ruth Cornthwaite - of full age Spinster of Wray
Groom's Father: John Wilshaw, Farmer
Bride's Father: William Cornthwaite, Farmer
Witness: George Grime; Elizabeth Wildman; John Calverley
Married by Licence by: Elisha White, Incumbent of Wray
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1920, Page 38, Entry 75
Source: LDS Film 1849660

It looks like James isn't Eliz's bro, as I think her parents were William & Margaret Wilshaw MS Moore.

Hi Shirley ,
Thanks will try Settle , must be a typo on Elizabeth Wilshaw ..Wiltshaw !!
Strange move to Yorkshire to marry, from the Red Rose oooo to the White Rose county !! across the border ...we need passports to get into Yorkshire from Lancashire ha ha !!
LancsBMD children of William Batty & Elizabeth record Wilshaw for mother ( Lancashire BMD great as most births show mother's ms ) also her parents are Wilshaws for defo .
Thanks again .
C xx :-D

They are on there in 1849 her surname is WILTSHAW.

they didnt marry in Scotforth area !!!! try Settle !!!!

Hi everyone ,
Thanks for all your replies , I have tried free bmd no luck with that .
I have the 1851 census that's why I thought they would have been married around Scotforth area where first child James Batty c1850 was born .
Cheers
C xxx
:-D

freebmd should be in your favourites............for you to go to first for any bmd's between 1837 and approx 1945

If you mean Wiltshaw, it's in 1849 - http://www.freebmd.org.uk

They have one child by 1851
Name: William Batty
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Batty
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Burton, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Scotforth
Ecclesiastical parish: Lancaster St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Lancaster
Sub-registration district: Lancaster
ED, institution, or vessel: 9a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 78
Piece: 2272
Folio: 555
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
William Batty 27
Elizabeth Batty 24
James Batty 1
Christopher Batty 19


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2272; Folio: 555; Page: 23; GSU roll: 87299.

son james was born Scotforth

It should be on FreeBMD. Have you looked on there? :-P