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Can anyone help please with a marriage for 2 brothers

Thomas James Charles Elder born 1834 in rotherhite, london and his elder brother George Richard Brown Elder born 1830. So far no luck on either findmypast or here. Not sure where to look next Think could be rotherhite or bermondsey area
Cannot even find them on 1841 census. any help appreciated.

could this be george
1841
1841 England Census about George Elder
Name: George Elder
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil parish: Rotherhithe
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Rotherhithe
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1067
Book: 4
Folio: 45
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Brown 40
George Elder 10
Jane Hood 20
David Hood 25

Have you found them on census with a wife and children

Just for info

Name: George Richard Brown Elder
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1830
Baptism Date: 24 Jan 1830
Father's name: George Elder
Mother's name: Sophia Elder
Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe St Mary
Borough: Southwark


Name: Daniel Edward Wilson Elder
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1832
Baptism Date: 5 Feb 1832
Father's name: George Elder
Mother's name: Sophia Elder
Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe St Mary
Borough: Southwark


Name: Thomas James Charles Elder
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1834
Baptism Date: 23 Feb 1834
Father's name: George Elder
Mother's name: Sophia Elder
Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe St Mary
Borough: Southwark

Thomas 1851?

1851 England Census
about Thomas Elder Name: Thomas Elder
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Stepson
Mother's name: Sophia Stone
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Rotherhithe, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Dulwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 88
Piece: 1580
Household Members: Name Age
George Stone 45
Sophia Stone 55
Thomas Elder 16



Andy

thomas 1841
1841 England Census about Thomas Elder
Name: Thomas Elder
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: St James
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1048
Book: 2
Folio: 11
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Susannah Jarvis 45
Mary Myland 30
John Myland 2
Ann Barrett 55
Thomas Elder 8
James Cummons 25
James Connor 20
James Smith 15
Daniel Cantty

Father George to the 3 boys was a Waterman
and lived George St. Rotherhithe from George's
birth 28.12.1829 til Thomas's birth 29.01.1834.
Daniel's death 1916.
So Daniel alive 1911 census living with Maria Elder
at Windsor.
Marriage at Windsor 1858
Maria Clarke
Daniel Elder.
Irene

thank you maddie and glitter and irene, just checked rest of censuses and cant find them,looks like lookking at deaths for them.daniel is my gtgtgt grandfather.

George Elder death Greenwich 1854?
shows no age at the time of death.
Irene

thank you irene will request death certificate

Parish Records Collection - burial
Surname: Elder

Forenames: George

Burial Year: 1833

Burial Month: Dec

Burial Day: 22

Age at Death: 40

Where From: George Street

Place Buried: Rotherhithe

County: Surrey

Source : St.Mary Rotherhithe 1822-1837 burials

(Father, George)

Chris :)

Name: George Stone
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Spouse Name: Sophia Elder (Widow)
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 22 May 1838
Parish: St Mary at Lambeth
County: Surrey
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Thomas Stone
Spouse Father Name: Edward Riley

cannot find Daniel edward Wilson Elder born 1832 in rotherhithe on 1851 census. by 1861 he was a brickmaker, can anyone do an ancestry look up please, think he could have been in buckinghamshire by this time but not sure.

1861 (for reference)

ELDER, Daniel Head Married M 29 1832 Brick Maker
Egham
Surrey
ELDER, Maria Wife F 20 1841
Egham
Surrey
ELDER, Maria Daughter F 1 1860
Egham
Surrey

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
758 Folio:
129 Page:
18

Registration District:
Windsor Sub District:
1 Egham Enumeration District:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Sunningdale

Civil Parish:
Egham Municipal Borough:
Address:
Shrubbs Hill, Egham County:
Berkshire

Chris :)

could this be him
1841
STONE, Sophia F 40 1801 Surrey VIEW
ELDER, Daniel M 9 1832 Surrey VIEW
YOUNG, James M 30 1811 Surrey VIEW
LAURENCE, Jno M 25 1816 Surrey VIEW
LAURENCE, Mary F 25 1816 Surrey VIEW
LAURENCE, Mary F 6 1835 Surrey VIEW
LAURENCE, John M 3 1838 Surrey VIEW
LAURENCE, Caroline F 0 (11 months) 1841 Surrey VIEW
RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1048 Book/Folio:
3/27 Page:
7

Registration District:
St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey Sub District:
St James Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Bermondsey Municipal Borough:
Address:
Salisbury Place, Bermondsey County:
Surrey

That's him Maddie, can you see him 1851, he married as below...

Marriages Sep 1858 (>99%)
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Clarke Maria Windsor 2c 597
Elder Daniel Windsor 2c 597

Chris :)

(having no luck!)

nope
sorry

thank you maddie n chris for trying for me, weird got him in all other censuses just not 1851. could they have switched his names around, being trying to swap different surnames because his full name dont help sometimes.

Daniel Edward Wilson Elder, wot a mouthful.

On baptism of Daniel he was born 16th Jan 1832 parents address George Street as were the other baptisms.