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Trying to find the death of my 2xGt Grandmother above.
Married Joseph Dickenson 1875 & was widowed 1879,left with a daughter Margaret Amelia b.1878.
In 1888 Mary Ellen married John G.Broadhurst at Our Lady of Nicholas & St Anne Liverpool.
In 1891c they are living at Milk St Windle St Helens as boarders without Mary's daughter who is with her Grandparents in Wigan.
After that I cannot find them.I do know that John Broadhurst was b.1858 Knighton Radnorshire.
Margaret my Gt Grandmother left Wigan in 1898 & settled in Winton,Eccles for the rest of her life.
Unfortunately I have been unable to track Mary Ellen down after the 1891c. :-S

1891 for birthplace INFO

Name: Mary E Broadhurst
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Windle
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: St Helens
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3020
Folio: 76
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Rich Grimes 30
Sarah A Grimes 28
John H Grimes 8
William Grimes 6
Margaret Grimes 4
Annie Grimes 2
Elizth Grimes 8/12
John G Broadhurst 33 b. HUYTON, Lancs..Occ Shoemaker
Mary E Broadhurst 33

John wasn't born Radnorshire according to 1891 census

Name: John G Broadhurst
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Hayton, Lancashire, England

could this be a possibilty
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Mary Broadhurst
Name: Mary Broadhurst
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1899
Age at Death: 44
Registration district: Wigan
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 64 (click to see others on page)

Mary Dickenson
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth: 1858 —Wigan, Lancashire
residence: 31 Mar 1901 —Wigan, Lancashire, England
census: 31 Mar 1901 —Wigan, Lancashire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Mary Dickenson
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 43
relationship to head of household: Wife
birthplace: Wigan, Lancashire
record type: Household
registration district: Wigan
sub-district: Wigan
ecclesiastical parish: Wigan St Thomas
civil parish: Wigan
county: Wigan, Wigan, Wigan, Lancashire

Did she have any children with John?

Yes,I have this info.The only discrepancy is where John was born.

Mary Ellens parents were John Ball b.1833 Wigan & Margaret Taylor 1831

Johns parents were Isaac Broadhurst b.Leominster & Emma ? b.Ireland

1861c John is in Radnorshire age 3
1871c " " Knighton Workhouse age 13
1881 " " 5 Starkie St.West Derby 22 -Boot finisher
1891 " " Milk St Windle St Helens.

I do know that John changed his name & moved away from Wigan at a later date but I cannot post the circumstances on this board

not knowing when John Moved away I did wonder baout this one ,which was why I asked if they had children (know she was Mary Ellen but may given the wron second name)
1901 census
BROADHURST, Mary Jane Head Widow F 43 1858
Wigan
Lancashire VIEW
BROADHURST, William Son Single M 8 1893
Wigan
Lancashire VIEW
BROADHURST, Ethel Daughter Single F 4 1897
Warrington
Lancashire VIEW
HARDMAN, Thomas Boarder Single M 30 1871 Coal Miner (Hewer)
Manchester Rd Blackrod
Lancashire VIEW
ROBERTS, Robert Boarder Single M 40 1861 Labourer In A Coal Mine
Denbighshire
Wales VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
3566 Folio:
38 Page:
34

Registration District:
Wigan Sub District:
Pemberton Enumeration District:
2 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Wigan St James's

Civil Parish:
Pemberton Municipal Borough:
Address:
22, Carlton Street, Pemberton, Worsley Mesnes County:
Lancashire

John moved away at the same time as Margaret 1898/9.

The name of the mother which you have found is Mary Jane & not Mary Ellen.

This makes me unsure.

I think we can deduce why John 'changed his name'

The birthplace info could be a result of mis-hearing by the enumerator. In the area of the census, Huyton would be 'local'. Knighton sounds similar.......especially if the accent was not familiar

Under his 'new name' he claimed in the 1901c to be born Clun in Shropshire.Of course I was searching at the time for the 'wrong' person
& I contacted the authorities,registrars etc for Clun & they had no trace of him.

Then the 1911c came out & it was there that he claimed he was born Knighton. Under his 'new name' he wasn't born there,but John Broadhurst was.
John had used one of his brothers names & changed the surname slightly in his new identity.
Other researches have come to the same conclusion & the connection with the family he lived with in West Derby prior to his marriage to Mary Ellen also ties in.
This along with other things I cannot mention on this board