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Cannot find Marriage Certificate details

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Alan

Alan Report 7 Jun 2011 19:30

William Fullilove spouse Emma Jane Fullilove married around 1891 on the 1911 census Emmais living Lambeth London,she died in Dartford Kent 1952. William died in Camberwell Workhouse aged 76.

jax

jax Report 7 Jun 2011 19:36

1911 census - household transcription
Person: FULLILOVE, Emma Jane
Address: 162 Mitre Street Webber Street SE


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FULLILOVE, Emma Jane Head Widow F 51 1860 Caretaker London Walworth VIEW
FULLILOVE, Emily Mandy Daughter Single F 16 1895 Factory Packer London Walworth VIEW
FULLILOVE, Sidney Earnest Son M 14 1897 Assistant Grocers London Walworth VIEW

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jax

jax Report 7 Jun 2011 19:40

1911 census - household transcription
Person: FULLILOVE, William
Institution: Camberwell Workhouse, CAMBERWELL WORKHOUSE


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FULLILOVE, William Inmate Widower M 75 1836 Formerly Green Grocer London St Giles in the Fields VIEW

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MargaretM

MargaretM Report 7 Jun 2011 19:41

I see William died in 1911 aged 76 so was born 1835?
Didn't marry until 1891? Aged 56?

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 7 Jun 2011 19:43

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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about George Robert Fullilove
Name: George Robert Fullilove
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Spouse Name: Emma Jane Kingsbury
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 28 Feb 1882
Parish: St Mary, Newington
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Charles Amory Fullilove Cutler
Spouse Father Name: William Kingsbury




1851 England Census about Charles Fullilove
Name: Charles Fullilove
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriett Fullilove
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Westmr St James
Civil parish: St Martin in The Fields
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: St Martin In The Fields
Sub-registration district: Long Acre
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 66
Piece: 1482
Folio: 238
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Fullilove 49 Cutler
Harriett Fullilove 49
Julia Fullilove 11
Emma Fullilove 6
William Fullilove 14
James Fullilove 12
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MargaretM

MargaretM Report 7 Jun 2011 19:45

Are you sure that they were married to each other? They both seem to be alive on th 1911 census but she's a widow and he's a widower.

jax

jax Report 7 Jun 2011 19:46

1901 census - household transcription
Person: FULLILOVE, William
Address: 15, Rust Square, Camberwell


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FULLILOVE, William Head Married M 63 1838 Printer
Camberwell
London VIEW
FULLILOVE, Emma Wife Married F 41 1860
Newington
London VIEW
FULLILOVE, Eadward Son M 17 1884 Medicine Vendors Labourer
Newington
London VIEW
FULLILOVE, Emily Daughter F 5 1896
Newington
London VIEW
FULLILOVE, Sidney W Son M 4 1897
Newington
London VIEW

jax

jax Report 7 Jun 2011 19:50

oops deleted
1891
Person: FULLILOVE, Wm
Address: 5, Rutland Road, Lewisham, Forest Hill


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FULLILOVE, Wm Head Married M 25 1866 Barman
Camberwell
Surrey VIEW
FULLILOVE, Edith Wife Married F 25 1866
Bermondsey
Surrey VIEW
FULLILOVE, Wm Son M 2 1889
Westminster
Middlesex VIEW
FULLILOVE, Edith Daughter F 3 1888
Catford
Kent VIEW
DUNN, Wm Boarder Single M 23 1868 Butcher
Boston
U S A VIEW
>>>>>FULLILOVE, Wm Father Widower M 56 1835 Greengrocer
Strand
Middlesex VIEW
FULLILOVE, Fred Brother M 10 1881 Scholar
Camberwell
Surrey VIEW

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looks like the same man

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 7 Jun 2011 19:52

So where did the info that the husband was William come from??

Marriages Mar 1882 (per the record posted above)
FLOYD Charles St Saviour 1d 228
> FULLILOVE George Robert St. Saviour 1d 228
Jiggens Emma St. Saviour 1d 228
> Kingsbury Emma Jane St. Saviour 1d 228

Deaths Sep 1884
Fullilove George Robert 59 St.Saviour 1d 87

It seems to have been an unfortunately brief marriage.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 7 Jun 2011 19:55

1891

Emma Fullilove 30 -- widow
Edith Fullilove 9
Edwin Fullilove 17
Civil parish: Newington St Mary

jax

jax Report 7 Jun 2011 19:58

They are together in 1901 but not a grocer???

jax

Chris in Sussex

Chris in Sussex Report 7 Jun 2011 20:02

The marriage Janey found...Oppps Lindsey found it ages ago!

Name: George Robert Fullilove ...Widower...Cutler
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Spouse Name: Emma Jane Kingsbury...Spinster
Spouse Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 28 Feb 1882
Parish: St Mary, Newington
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Charles Amory Fullilove ...Cutler...Deceased
Spouse Father Name: William Kingsbury...Costermonger

Both residing 36 East Street

Chris

Mike *

Mike * Report 7 Jun 2011 20:02

There's this one ????????

Marriages Sep 1886 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Coley Ellen Hinckley 7a 110
FULLYLOVE- William James Hinckley 7a 110
LEE Arthur Hinckley 7a 110
PRATT Emma - Hinckley 7a 110

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 7 Jun 2011 20:06

If I may make it legible ...

1901
Address: 15, Rust Square, Camberwell
FULLILOVE, William Head Married M 63 1838 Printer Camberwell London
FULLILOVE, Emma Wife Married F 41 1860 Newington London
FULLILOVE, Eadward Son M 17 1884 Medicine Vendors Labourer Newington London
FULLILOVE, Emily Daughter F 5 1896 Newington London
FULLILOVE, Sidney W Son M 4 1897 Newington London


I can't find these people at Ancestry for anything.


Here's a reason -- Emily is 15, not 5 (see the 1891 I posted)

1901

Civil parish: Camberwell
William Fullilove 63
Emma Fullilove 14
Edward Fullilove 19
Emily Fullilove 15
Sidney W Fullilove 4

... or maybe 5 ... hard to tell whether that's a stroke or a 1. But Edward should be 17, not 19.

... ye gods, this is insane, these people aren't transcribed meaningfully anywhere.

The Emma above, from Ancestry, appears to be 41, not 14.


edit -- the 1891 I posted earlier

Emma Fullilove 30
Edith Fullilove 9
Edwin Fullilove 17

-- Edwin would more likely be 7 (with a stray stroke), since he appears below Edith in the list.

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So, correcting for all the stupid errors at FMP and Ancestry, we have this.


The 1891 household -- George Fullilove's family after his death:

Civil parish: Newington St Mary
Emma Fullilove 30 -- widow
Edith Fullilove 9
Edwin Fullilove 7


They then appear in 1901 (correcting for all errors) as

Civil parish: Camberwell
William Fullilove 63
Emma Fullilove 41
Edward Fullilove 17
Emily Fullilove 5
Sidney W Fullilove 4


and in 1911 as

FULLILOVE, Emma Jane Head Widow 51 1860 Caretaker London Walworth
FULLILOVE, Emily Mandy Daughter Single 16 1895 Factory Packer London Walworth
FULLILOVE, Sidney Earnest Son 14 1897 Assistant Grocers London Walworth

jax

jax Report 7 Jun 2011 20:20

The william that died in the workhouse was a Greengrocer as was the one in my 1891...

jax

jax

jax Report 7 Jun 2011 21:18

1871 census - household transcription
Person: FULLILOVE, William
Address: High Rd, St Giles Camberwell


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FULLILOVE, William H Head M 35 1836 Middlesex VIEW >>>Fruiterer
FULLILOVE, Rebecca Wife F 36 1835 Kent VIEW
FULLILOVE, Elizabeth Daughter F 7 1864 Surrey VIEW
FULLILOVE, William Son M 5 1866 Surrey VIEW
FULLILOVE, Frank Son M 3 1868 Surrey VIEW
FULLILOVE, Harry Son M 0 1871 Surrey VIEW
SPARROWHAWK, George Brother-In-Law M 49 1822 Surrey VIEW
SPARROWHAWK, Elizabeth Sister F 43 1828 Kent VIEW
SPARROWHAWK, George Nephew M 18 1853 Surrey VIEW

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wifes death

Deaths Dec 1890 (>99%)
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Fullilove Rebecca 56 Camberwell 1d 641