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I recently discovered that my ancestor Edmund Greenfield was transported to NSW in 1828. He received his Certificate of Freedom in 1836 but there appears to be no death registered for him in England or Aus. He was born in Sussex in 1790 and his parents were Edmund & Fanny Greenfield. There is a death registered for James Greenfield age 85 in Victoria in 1865. His parents were Edmond & Fanny Greenfield and he was born in Sussex. Edmund had a brother called James but he was born in 1791. As yet I have not been able to find a likely convict or assisted immigrant called James Greenfield.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks,
Debbie
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Tony in Oz is quite an expert on this type of thing.
I will take a look for his thread.
Dea x
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Sorry - I can't make my 'advanced search' work to find the thread.
Perhaps someone else could bump it up for you??
Dea x
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Hi Debbie.
Convict transportation to Australia.
Two records for a James GREENFIELD
James Greenfield, one of 150 convicts transported on the Hadlow, August 1818.
Sentence details: Convicted at Middlesex Gaol Delivery for a term of 14 years on 06 May 1818.
Vessel: Hadlow.
Date of Departure: August 1818.
Place of Arrival: New South Wales.
James Greenfield, one of 320 convicts transported on the John Barry, 02 April 1834.
Sentence details: Convicted at Demerara Court Martial for a term of life on 11 June 1833.
Vessel: John Barry.
Date of Departure: 02 April 1834.
Place of Arrival: Van Diemen's Land.
The James GREENFIELD trial held 06 May 1818 was at the "Old Bailey"
on-line...if its of any help
Reference Number: t18180506-7
WILLIAM MAJOR, JAMES GREENFIELD, ROBERT SELBY, WILLIAM WILLIAMS, Violent Theft - highway robbery, 6th May 1818.
744. WILLIAM MAJOR , JAMES GREENFIELD , ROBERT SELBY , JAMES LOCKTON , and WILLIAM WILLIAMS were indicted for feloniously assaulting Thomas Toomor , on the King's highway, on the 14th of April , putting him in fear, and taking from his person, and against his will, one watch, value 1l.; one ribbon, value 2d.; two seals, value 2s.; one key, value 1d., and one half-crown, his property .
THOMAS TOOMOR . I am a shoemaker , and live in Swanyard, York-street, Westminster. On the 14th of April, in the afternoon, I was at a bull-bait in Tothil-fields , and was surrounded by the prisoners and others - I knew Major and Greenfield before - I used to go to school with Major. A man of the name of Williams first came up to me; my apron was tucked up over my watch. He asked a man if he wanted any thing? and said if he did, he would punch him in the mouth. I thought I would get out of the mob, but they all surrounded me, with several others. Williams seized my left arm, and Major seized me round the waist, while the others kept shoving me about. Greenfield struck me. I put my hand over my watch and money in my trowsers. At that time I felt it go from me, and called....( more to read at )
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/
Index to the Colonial Secretary's Papers, 1788-1825 N.S.W
GREENFIELD, James (Per "Hadlow", 1818) see GRINFIELD, James
GRINFIELD, James. Per "Hadlow", 1818
1819 Feb 2
On list of prisoners sent to Newcastle per "Lady Nelson" (Reel 6006; 4/3500 p.80)
1819 Mar 19
Arrived at Newcastle on 4 Feb (Reel 6067; 4/1807 p.19)
1819 Apr 6
Re sending of to Newcastle for offence committed while working on the highway (Reel 6006; 4/3500 pp.69, 71)
1822 Sep 9
On list of prisoners assigned; listed as Greenfield (Fiche 3290; 4/4570D p.44)
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/
Regarding James GREENFIELD 02 April 1834.
Tasmanian Archives ( Convicts )
28209 Greenfield James arr - 11 Aug 1834 Ship - John Barry 04 Apr 1834 Dept - London
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=10
Tony ( Australia )
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There you go Debbie................
I told you that Tony would know :-D
Dea Xxx
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EDMUND GREENFIELD Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 07 MAY 1790 Farnhurst, Sussex, England
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Parents:
Father: EDMUND GREENFIELD Family
Mother: FANNY
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Hi Tony,
Sorry but I just posted my message on your thread. From now on I will stick to this one. I found both those convicts but did not think either was the same James. I looked at the Old Bailey online and James was supposed to be 20 in 1818. Of course he could have been lying. I shall look into both the James Greenfields again and maybe something will provide a clue.
Thank you,
Debbie
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Hi Dea,
Thank you - that was a great help.
Debbie
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Hi Ann,
Yes, that is the correct Edmund.
Debbie
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Hi Debbie.
James was listed as GREENFIELD and GRINFIELD on Colonial records Archives NSW.....so might be best to check both surnames regarding bdm's in Oz.
Our records are reasonable but our spelling was terrible....lol
Many a lost convict goes missing!!
Cheers. Tony :-)
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Hi All,
A contact of mine who has Ancestry Worldwide has just found a document relating to Edward Greenfield. It is definitely Edmund as he was the correct age and arrived on the same ship. It was an application to marry dated 1837. This was refused owing to him having stated on arrival that he was married with five children. In fact his wife died in 1840. I think this shows that he intended to settle.
Debbie
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Hi Debbie.
Just add a bit more info.
1828 Census NSW ( Sydney - Parramatta )
Shows Edmund GREENFIELD aged 38 ( Government Servant ) Ship Arrival "ROYAL GEORGE" year 1829 Religion Protestant, Sentance 7 years, Occ Labourer to a Mr. Allan. Place Goulburn Plains.
Apart from the two convicts ( James Greenfield )the 1828 census also shows a James GREENFIELD aged 27 who came free on the ship "ASIA" in 1824... living at 24 Princes street Sydney. It appears this James married a convict.
Living in the same house is Ann GREENFIELD aged 23 Government Servant, ship "HUGH CRAWFORD" in 1825 sentenced to Life.......Also James jnr. aged 1 year and 9 months ( Born in Colony )
This Ann listed 1828 is most likely Ann MONICKE
GREENFIELD, James EM 377565 Marriage
Spouse: MONICKE, Ann
Index Year: 1825
Reg Year: 1825
Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: V18253676 3B
Parish: Sydney, St Phillip's, Church of England
I can see the James GREENFIELD death in Vic. ( which you already know )
GREENFIELD, James CD 345194 Death
Father: Edmond
Mother: Fanny
Age at Death: 85
Birthplace: Suss
Reg Year: 1865
Reg State: Victoria
Ref Number: 4579
It may be worthwhile to purchase this death cert to see what other info is listed on it, and wether it relates to possible connection to Edmund.
At the moment i cannot see what became of Edmund Greenfield but with just a C.F (Cert of Freedom) one would think he wouldnt have been allowed to leave the Colony. Convicts usually needed a "Full Pardon" to travel back to the U.K. or Absolute pardons which allowed an ex-convict to return to the British Isles if he or she wished.
I can see Edmund Greenfield listed in ( Colonial Secretary's Office. Sydney, 19th September, 1836. CERTIFICATES OF FREEDOM. )The Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser (NSW : 1803-1842) Saturday 24 September 1836 p 4 Detailed lists, results, guides.....but nothing after this time.
Tony ( Victoria )
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Hi Tony,
Thank you so much. Details such as knowing a C of F would probably not have allowed him to return are very important. It is also so useful that you can view the census. Tomorrow I am going on holiday for a week. I am leaving this in the capable hands of my contact who is also a descendent of Edmund. Then I shall pick it up again.
Thanks again,
Debbie
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