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Looking for further details of James Carden b1875 (name spelt Cardon in birth entry) father of James Patrick Carden b1907 in the Leeds, Yorkshire area. Believe James was married to Sarah Ann Moore and Mary Ann Haley and that he died in 1923.
In particular, need help to go back beyond James' 1875 birth - cannot find any relatives for him at all.
Thanks.

For Reference........



1911 census - household transcription
Person: CARDEN, James
Address: 11 Foundry Street Marsh Lane Leeds


CARDEN, James Head Married M 35 1876 General Labourer Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
CARDEN, Sarah Ann Wife Married
10 years F 30 1881 Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
CARDEN, Catherine Daughter F 10 1901 Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
CARDEN, Hannah Daughter F 6 1905 Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
CARDEN, James Patrick Son M 3 1908 Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
CARDEN, Winifred Daughter F 1 1910 Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
26921 Reference:
RG14PN26921 RG78PN1546 RD500 SD1 ED6 SN136

Registration District:
Leeds Sub District:
South East Leeds Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Leeds

Address:
11 Foundry Street Marsh Lane Leeds County:
Yorkshire (West riding)



1901 England Census
about James Carden
Name: James Carden
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Carden
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 170
Piece: 4217
Folio: 17
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
James Carden 24
Sarah Ann Carden 21
Catherine Carden 5 Months

From yorksbmd

Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1900
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CARDEN James MOORE Sarah A Leeds Registered Building Leeds RB/134/43

Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1918
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CARDEN James HALEY Mary A Leeds Registered Building Leeds RB/206/109

1881 ?????????

CARDAN, Mary Head Widow F 45 1836 Charwoman
Scotland VIEW
CARDAN, Agnas Daughter Single F 14 1867 Scholar
Hull
Yorkshire VIEW
CARDAN, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar
Hull
Yorkshire VIEW
CARDAN, James Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Hull
Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
4746 Folio:
132 Page:
24

Registration District:
Sculcoates Sub District:
Sutton Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Sutton and Stoneferry Municipal Borough:
Address:
6, Johns Place, Sutton And Stoneferry County:
Yorkshire (East riding)



1871
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CARDEN, James Head M 50 1821 Ireland VIEW
CARDEN, Mary Wife F 35 1836 Ireland VIEW
CARDEN, Wiegh Son M 16 1855 Scotland VIEW
CARDEN, Thomas Son M 8 1863 Yorkshire VIEW
CARDEN, Agness Daughter F 5 1866 Yorkshire VIEW
CARDEN, Elizabeth Daughter F 0 1871 Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
4773 Folio:
189 Page:
11

Registration District:
Sculcoates Sub District:
Sutton Enumeration District:
9 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Sutton Municipal Borough:
Kingston upon Hull Address:
John's Place, Sutton, Kingston Upon Hull County:


Regards Vera

Hi Susan
I believe this is your James & Sarah in 1911 & 1901
Susan have you seen James military records yet ie WW1 and I think he was in the Army aged 18 as per 1891 Census before he married Sarah.

Ian @UK-Genealogy,com


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

CARDEN, James Head Married M 35 1876 General Labourer Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
CARDEN, Sarah Ann Wife Married
10 years F 30 1881 Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
CARDEN, Catherine Daughter F 10 1901 Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
CARDEN, Hannah Daughter F 6 1905 Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
CARDEN, James Patrick Son M 3 1908 Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
CARDEN, Winifred Daughter F 1 1910 Leeds Yorkshire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
26921 Reference:
RG14PN26921 RG78PN1546 RD500 SD1 ED6 SN136

Registration District:
Leeds Sub District:
South East Leeds Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Leeds

Address:
11 Foundry Street Marsh Lane Leeds County:
Yorkshire (West riding)


Name: James Carden
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Carden
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: South East Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 170
Piece: 4217
Folio: 17
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
James Carden 24
Sarah Ann Carden 21
Catherine Carden 5 Months

Susan, you say that believe James was married to Sarah and Mary Ann. Do you have any of the children's birth certs to confirm these MMNs?

Also, do you have either of James's marriage certs? This would give his father's name and occupation.

It is very easy to follow the wrong line if events are not confirmed by certs.

Really don't understand your "can't find any relatives"...

If you know this to be your James' birth then the certificate would give you his parents.

Births Mar 1875
CARDON James - Leeds 9b 480


Father's name could be cross checked against marriage cert

Marriages Jun 1900 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

.............Carden James - Leeds 9b 1094
Hudson Hillas Leeds 9b 1094
..............Moore Sarah Ann - Leeds 9b 1094
Nelson Florence Beatrice Leeds 9b 1094

I guess you've not ordered any certs yet?

Even though this says two of the children were born in Ireland,I'm a little suspicious because of how well the names and births match up to those Carden ones in Leeds. Could just be a coincidence,of course.

1881 census transcription details for: 17, Off Street, Leeds
RG number: RG11 Piece: 4518 Folio: 37 Page: 8


Reg. District: Leeds Sub District: North Leeds
Parish: Leeds Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 17, Off Street, Leeds
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

CADIN, Patrick Head Married M 33 1848
Mayo
Ireland
CADIN, Catherine Wife Married F 33 1848
Mayo
Ireland
CADIN, Michael Son Single M 9 1872
Crossmolina
Ireland
CADIN, James Son Single M 7 1874
Crossmolina
Ireland
CADIN, Patrick Son Single M 5 1876
Leeds
Yorkshire


Good luck with your research.

Maureen

http://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1271448

You'd be well advised to get the 1900 marriage cert, to find out if he knew his father's details

1901

Name: James Carden
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Carden
Gender: Male
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: South East Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 170
Piece: 4217
Folio: 17
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
James Carden 24
Sarah Ann Carden 21
Catherine Carden 5 Months

Hmmm....

http://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/carden/thread/1099415

Maureen

Thanks to all who have responded - it is true that we don't have any certificates beyond the generation born in the 1960s. There are no family papers and very little remembered.
Some of your information was already discovered (without vertification as yet) and some makes for further interesting research. We will pursue ideas from Ian and Maureen, which we had not found previously.
Thanks again, Sue