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Could someone please find a Susan Lee, born 1839 in Baldock, Herts, for me? The '61 is the only census return I don't have for her. Despite the surname Lee, she was not a Gypsy herself, but married into a Romany family in '62. I'd be interested to know if she travelled with them - surname Smith - prior to this. I believe Susan's mum died when she was a child; she was living with a married sister in Norton Street, Baldock in '51, aged 11, working as a Straw Plaiter. If she was travelling with Gypsies, perhaps she won't appear in the census, as they didn't tend to be recorded very well this far back. Good luck!

1861 census

LEE, Alfred Head Married M 35 1826 Bricklayers Labourer
Flamstead
Hertfordshire VIEW
LEE, Susannah Wife Married F 27 1834 Straw Plaiter
Flamstead
Hertfordshire VIEW
LEE, Elizabeth Daughter F 0 (5M) 1861
Flamstead
Hertfordshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
840 Folio:
61 Page:
11

Registration District:
Hemel Hempstead Sub District:
3 Flamstead Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Flamstead Municipal Borough:
Address:
Holy Bush Farm, Brittannia, Flamstead County:
Hertfordshire

This is a possible marriage for the above -

Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)
Lee Alfred H. Hempstead 3a 457
Tibbett Susanna H Hempstead 3a 457

so I would think that this is not your Susan??

She is a Straw Plaiter though.............

Also in 1861 census???

1861 census –
LEE, Elizabeth Head Widow F 50 1811 Straw Plaiter Flamstead
Hertfordshire VIEW

LEE, Susan Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845 Straw Plaiter Flamstead
Hertfordshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
840 Folio:
65 Page:
19

Registration District:
Hemel Hempstead Sub District:
3 Flamstead Enumeration District:
5 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Flamstead Municipal Borough: Address:
Alms House, Brittannia, Flamstead County:
Hertfordshire

1851 census for reference -

JAMES, Daniel Head Married M 20 1831 Labourer
Baldock
Hertfordshire VIEW
JAMES, Sarah Wife Married F 20 1831
Norton
Hertfordshire VIEW
LEE, Susan Sister-In-Law F 11 1840 Straw Plaiter
Norton
Hertfordshire VIEW
JAMES, Esther Sister-In-Law F 3 1848
Norton
Hertfordshire VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1709 Folio:
127 Page:
32

Registration District:
Hitchin Sub District:
Baldock Enumeration District:
7C Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Baldock Municipal Borough:
Address:
Norton Street, Baldock County:
Hertfordshire

Who did she marry in 1862?

Is this the marriage?

Marriages Jun 1862 (>99%)
Lee Susan Kensington 1a 68
Smith Bartholemew Kensington 1a 68

Lynnski Thats the marriage I was working with. Pretty sure its the right one as Bartholomew a Chair mender and the parents names fit. I was picking up the Lee family in Norton, Hertfordshire as in your 1851..

Sarah Lou

I have searched and searched but cannot find anything for Susan in the 1861 census as either a Lee or a Smith. She is not with her brothers or sisters with the exception of Mary Ann who I could not find in 1861.

I thought perhaps she may have been with Mr Smith before marriage but no luck. I cant find any census record for Bartholomew Smith before 1871 so perhaps they missed the enumerator in 1861.if they were together at that time.

Regards

Vera

Name: Susan Lee
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Spouse Name: Bartholomew Smith
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Jun 1862
Parish: St Stephen, Shepherds Bush
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: Richard Lee
Spouse Father Name: James Smith

(the marriage, but address for both at time not very clear, just to check it on 1861)

Chris :)

Name: Bartholomew Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1887
Baptism Date: 17 Mar 1887
Father's name: Bartholomew Smith (Boot Maker)
Mother's name: Susan Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shadwell, St Paul
Borough: Tower Hamlets

(born 24th Sept 1884, address given, 2 Cobble Road, Leytonstone)

1891

SMITH, Susan Head Widow F 51 1840 Hawk Pedlar
Baldock
Hertfordshire
SMITH, Nathan Son Single M 12 1879
Wanstead
Essex
SMITH, Bertie Son Single M 8 1883
Wanstead
Essex
SMITH, Lizzie Daughter F 7 1884
Wanstead
Essex
SMITH, Bartholomew Son M 6 1885
Wanstead
Essex

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
1350 Folio:
80 Page:
48

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
Leyton Enumeration District:
43 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Margarets

Civil Parish:
Wanstead Municipal Borough:
Address:
Cottage, Cobbold Road, Wanstead County:
Essex


1881

SMITH, Bartholomew Head Married M 44 1837 Cane Worker
Bluntisham
Huntingdonshire
SMITH, Susan Wife Married F 41 1840 Hawker
Baldock
Hertfordshire
SMITH, Susan Son Single M 17 1864 Labourer
Woodford
Essex
SMITH, Delia Daughter Single F 15 1866 Hawker
Baldock
Hertfordshire
SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 13 1868 Scholar
Wanstead
Essex
SMITH, Elizas Son Single M 12 1869 Scholar
Notting Hill
Middlesex
SMITH, Simon Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Forest Gate
Essex
SMITH, Nathan Son Single M 0 1881
Wanstead
Essex

RG number:
RG11 Piece:
1729 Folio:
8 Page:
17

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
Leyton Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Wanstead Municipal Borough:
Address:
Hawkers Van, Cobbold Road, Wanstead County:
Essex


1871

SMITH, Bartholomew Head M 33 1838 Cambridgeshire
SMITH, Tamer Wife F 31 1840 Hertfordshire
SMITH, Martha Daughter F 10 1861 Essex
SMITH, Samson Son M 8 1863 Essex
SMITH, Delilah Daughter F 5 1866 Hertfordshi
SMITH, Elzabeth Daughter F 3 1868 Essex
SMITH, Elias Son M 2 1869 Middlesex

RG number:
RG10 Piece:
1631 Folio:
79 Page:
31

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
West Ham Enumeration District:
15A Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
West Ham Municipal Borough:
Address:
Cherry Island In A Tent, West Ham County:
Essex

(no luck Susan 1861 so far)...

Susan Lee
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: Hertford, England
parents: Richard Lee, Mary

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Susan Lee
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 27 Oct 1839
baptism/christening place: Baldock, Hertford, England
father's name: Richard Lee
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: C07210-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1040649

Groom's Name: Richard Lee
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Amey Seymour
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 01 Oct 1820
Marriage Place: Baldock,Hertford,England
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M07210-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 991305
Reference Number:

Mary Anne Lee
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: Hertford, England
parents: Richard Lee, Mary

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Mary Anne Lee
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 27 May 1833
baptism/christening place: Baldock, Hertford, England
father's name: Richard Lee
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: C07210-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1040649

Elizabeth Lee
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: Hertford, England
parents: Richard Lee, Mary

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Elizabeth Lee
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 29 Feb 1824
baptism/christening place: Baldock, Hertford, England
father's name: Richard Lee
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: C07210-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 1040649

Richard Lee
England Marriages, 1538–1973

marriage: 01 Oct 1820 —Baldock, Hertford, England
spouse: Amey Seymour

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: Richard Lee
bride's name: Amey Seymour
marriage date: 01 Oct 1820
marriage place: Baldock,Hertford,England
indexing project (batch) number: M07210-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 991305

??

Richard Lee
England Marriages, 1538–1973

marriage: 14 Jun 1823 —Baldock, Hertford, England
spouse: Mary Wren

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: Richard Lee
bride's name: Mary Wren
marriage date: 14 Jun 1823
marriage place: Baldock,Hertford,England
indexing project (batch) number: M07210-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 991305

Wow! Thanks for everyone's help! I was already fairly confident that Bartholomew wouldn't be found in the '61, as when I had access to the census returns online I'd gone crosseyed looking for him. But I hoped that Susan might. It does rather point to them being together, though - if Susan wasn't travelling, she would have been far more likely to have been 'nabbed' by the enumerator.
Thanks again!