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I notice some of the children of John & Elizabeth have the same names as the sisters of the John on 1881

Possible Irish connection in 1881?

John COLLINS Head M Male 33 Ireland Cotton Warehouse Foreman
Mary COLLINS Wife M Female 30 Ireland
Catherine COLLINS Daur U Female 15 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Mary Ann COLLINS Daur Female 10 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
Elizabeth COLLINS Daur Female 8 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Scholar
John COLLINS Son Male 5 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Source Information:
Dwelling 4 Eldon Street
Census Place Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341861
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3596 / 65
Page Number 17

Looking at the original of census 1911, the word translated foreman might also read fireman, and there is the addition 'sea going', which has not been transcribed.

4 children born, 1 deceased.

Olive Crains looks more like Olive Irene on the original, in which case she may have predated the marriage:

Birth: Chard Olive Irene Cardiff 11a 457 Sep 1903.

Many thanks indeed for all your replies. Have checked Births, hence I think probably ireland, also CWGC, think it may be merchant navy loss, which is more difficult to investigate.
Many thanks for the 1911 transcript.
Kind Regards
Jeff

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1911 census - household transcription
Person: COLLINS, Elizabeth
Address: 15 Louisa Street Dks Cardiff


COLLINS, John Head Married M 35 1876 Foreman Liverpool VIEW
COLLINS, Elizabeth Wife Married
7 years F 26 1885 Glam Cardiff VIEW
COLLINS, Olive Crains Daughter F 7 1904 Glam Cardiff VIEW
COLLINS, Catherine Mary Daughter F 2 1909 Glam Cardiff VIEW
COLLINS, Elizabeth Elsie Daughter F 1 1910 Glam Cardiff VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
32128 Reference:
RG14PN32128 RG78PN1846 RD588 SD3 ED29 SN173

Registration District:
Cardiff Sub District:
Central Cardiff Enumeration District:
29 Parish:
Cardiff

Children?

Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
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Collins Isaac J Chard Cardiff 11a 773

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Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
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COLLINS Winifred I Chard Cardiff 11a 899

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Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
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Collins Edward M Chard Cardiff 11a 762

Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
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Chard Elizabeth Cardiff 11a 719
Collins John Menghen Cardiff 11a 719
Oakley Rose Hannah Cardiff 11a 719
Wilson Robert Cardiff 11a 719

1901 and 1911 Irish censuses are FREE on line.......google for link

Or purchase the marriage cert, to find out how old he said he was.............plus his father's details, if known

You can check on FreeBMD for a possible birth in Wales

IF he was born in England/Wales, the record will be on freebmd..........

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Have you looked for possible death on the CWGC site?

http://www.cwgc.org/

Hi Folks, Looking for any help or advise on establishing death ( and birth) of the above.
Born c1885, believe Cardiff, but more likely Ireland!
Married Elizabeth Chard 1904 Cardiff.
Apparently died at sea 1918? but can find no details ! nothing showing on naval records, so could have been merchant navy? Family thought ship was Isis, but can't find any connection to a ship loss by that name c 1918.
Any help much appreciated.