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Cannot find birth or marriage for John, b 1879.
His mother is Mary Ann (nee) Tolhurst b 1859 Thurnham, kent and married Edwin Cartwright in 1881 Bermondsey. I can only find John age 12 in 1891 census then ten years later he is married to an Eliza ?

Should that be Tolhurst if born before mother married Cartwright ?

Just for information

Name: Mary Ann Tolhurst
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Edwin Cartwright
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 27 Nov 1881
Parish: St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Moses Tolhurst
Spouse Father Name: James Thornton Cartwright

1891 just for info
Name: Mary Cartwright
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edwin Cartwright
Gender: Female
Where born: Maidstone, Kent, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Crispin
Town: Southwark
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 374
Folio: 31
Page Number: 56
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Cartwright 32
Mary Cartwright 31
John Cartwright 12
George Cartwright 4
Wary Cartwright 2
Kate Cartwright 1
James Cartwright 42
Mary Cartwright 6
Annie Tolhurst 27
George Brown 22



1881?
Name: Mary A. Tolhurst
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Thurnham, Lincoln, England

Civil parish: St Johns Hampstead
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Provost Rd
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: General Servant

Registration district: Hampstead
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 175
Folio: 41
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Charles F. Yates 70
Louisa Yates 67
Thomas C. Yates 29
Charles E. Yates 25
Anna M. Yates 23
Mary A. Tolhurst 21

1901 England Census about John F Cartwright
Name: John F Cartwright
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza A Cartwright
Mother's name: Mary A Cartwright
Gender: Male
Where born: Thornham, Kent, England
Civil parish: Lewisham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Lewisham
Sub-registration district: Lewisham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 279
Piece: 549
Folio: 107
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
John F Cartwright 22
Eliza A Cartwright 22
John Cartwright 2
George Cartwright 1
Mary A Cartwright 40
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1881 wonder if living with grandparents

Name: Moses Tolhurst
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Tolhurst
Gender: Male
Where born: Thornham, Kent, England

Civil parish: Thornham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: Ware Street 1 Tolhursts Cottages
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Agricultural Labourer

Registration district: Hollingbourn
Sub-registration district: Hollingbourn
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 933
Folio: 119
Page Number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Moses Tolhurst 51
Sarah Tolhurst 46
George Tolhurst 19
Edward Tolhurst 13
Elizabeth Tolhurst 11
Walter Tolhurst 9
Herbert Tolhurst 5
John Tolhurst 3
Kate Tolhurst 2
Jack Tolhurst 2 - grandson

Yes i looked on BMD for both Tolhurst and Cartwright, cant see any thing

Glitter, that John Tolhurst is his uncle i have traced him he married a Beartrice Partridge so not him.

Have you ruled this one out

Births Jun 1879 (>99%)
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Tolhurst John Frederick Hollingbourn 2a 666

well its a chance, on the 1911 census it says John and Eliza have been married 13yrs but i cant find anything

Michele has numerous other Tolhurst threads which may cross reference.

Mary Ann Thornton married Daniel Cartwright in 1814 ? think they married in Cambridge, trying to find all there children, i have
William 1816
Daniel 1819-1820
James 1821
I know they were all baptised in St Bartholomew the Great in London, was hoping there would be more children.
They lived in Newington, London.
I'd be grateful for any thing

Any help help with this would be great.