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Hi again,

I have been to my local archives today to search for the three children of the above couple:

Fred Horner born 1866
Edmund Horner born 1868
Ada Horner born 1870

All the children were born in South Otterington, Yorkshire, and I can't find there marriages or them in the later census.

Can anyone else spot them?

Thanks,

Peter

Wow, thank you so much for this help Margee and PricklyHolly. Much appreciated. I too had difficulty finding the family in both 1871 and 1881 hence my request. Not sure where Charles is in 1881, and also 1891 and 1901 (which you could not find).

RE Emmigration. I have no idea. If you don't mind me asking, can you see the children in those census? That may explain that they family had emmigrated if they are missing, and Charles possibly returned by 1911?

I had found Edmund Horner in 1881 with Thomas Hogg when I researched that branch of the family. However, I had Mary Hogg under a different married name until I checked out the origional records ... shows the importance of not relying 100% on the net.

So, you have explain a lot and thank you ... but opened more questions! As is always the way (and long may it be that way)!

Thanks

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England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Charles Horner
Name: Charles Horner
Birth Date: abt 1842
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1927
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Thirsk
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 479


Looks like Askew on the image..........

Having said that...........i can't seem to find Charles in 1881, 1891, 1901 to back this up!!

I wonder if they emigrated?


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1911 census - household transcription
Person: HORNER, Charles
Address: South Otterington

HORNER, Charles Head Widower M 68 1843 Jobing Bricklayer Askenor Biddle Yorks VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
29053 Reference:
RG14PN29053 RG78PN1678 RD530 SD2 ED14 SN11

Registration District:
Thirsk Sub District:
Thirsk Enumeration District:
14 Parish:
South Otterington

Address:
South Otterington County:
Yorkshire (North riding)

Sorry GR is on "Go Slow" mode for me at the moment!! Grrr!



Births Sep 1870 (>99%)
Horner Ada Thirsk 9d 371

Possibly...........

Deaths Sep 1876 (>99%)
HORNER Mary 37 Thirsk 9d 269


Trying to find Charles in 1881 to see if he is a Widower.
Which would explain why the chidlren are not with the parents.

Charles a widower in 1891............???

Not sure about the children though!! Having iffy thoughts about this one!


1891 England Census
about Charles Horner
Name: Charles Horner
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Askern, Yorkshire, England (Looks like Askew on the image)

Civil parish: South Otterington
Ecclesiastical parish: South Otterington
Town: South Otterington
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Thirsk
Sub-registration district: Pickhill
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3981
Folio: 32
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Horner 47 (Bricklayer)
Jane Horner 19
Charles Horner 4

Fred.....


Births Dec 1865 (>99%)
Horner Fred Thirsk 9d 349


1881 England Census
about Fred Horner
Name: Fred Horner
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: South Otteringham, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Boroughbridge
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Horse Fair
Occupation: Groom & General Out Door Serv (Dom)

Registration district: Great Ouseburn
Sub-registration district: Boroughbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4321
Folio: 22
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
James Tomlinson 43
Charles W. Tomlinson 7
Ruth E. Greaves 29
Maria O. Alcock 28
Thomas W. Norfolk 19
Eliza Walton 19
Fred Horner 15
Thompson Buckle 31

1881 census
Newby Wiske, Yorkshire
Thomas Hogg, head, 49, ag lab, born S. Otterington
Ann, wife, 49, born York city
Ann, dau, 15, born Kirby Wiske
Edmund Horner, nephew, 13, born S. Otterington
Ann Tebb, cousin, 45, visitor, born '

This looks like Edmund...........


Births Dec 1867 (>99%)
Horner Edmund Thirsk 9d 365


1881 England Census
about Edmund Horner
Name: Edmund Horner
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: South Otterington, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Newby Wiske
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Village of Newby Wiske
Registration district: Thirsk
Sub-registration district: Pickhill
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4819
Folio: 27
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Hogg 49
Ann Hogg 49
Ann Hogg 15
Edmund Horner 13
Ann Tebb 45 (Cousin)

1871 census
School Cottage, South Otterington, Yorkshire
Charles Horner, head, 28, mason's bricklayer employing 1 man, born Aiskew
Mary, wife, 30, born Newby Wiske
Fred, son, 5, born S. Otterington
Edmond, son, 3, born "
Ada, dau, 9 months, born "

1871 England Census
about Mary Horner
Name: Mary Horner
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles Horner
Gender: Female
Where born: Newby Wiske, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: South Otterington
Ecclesiastical parish: South Otterington
Town: South Otterington
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Thirsk
Sub-registration district: Pickhill
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Horner 28 (Mason and Bricklayer..Employs 1 Man)
Mary Horner 30
Fred Horner 5 (Children born S Orrington Yorkshire)
Edmond Horner 3
Ada Horner 9 Months

Hi there, could you please help me find my relation in the census.

They are Charles and Mary Horner married 31st December 1864 in Kirby Wiske, North Yorkshire.

Mary Horner was born Mary Hogg in 1839 in Newby Wiske (within the parish of Kirby Wiske).

I am looking for her in the 1871 census and beyond (although I can't see her in 1881). Can anyone help?

I am interested in discovering more about the lives of her and her husband and any of her children.

Thanks,

Peter