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Hi,

I have received the marriage certificate today, which I thought was going to help me trace the birth etc of Alice Dutton. She was my great uncles (Thomas Hill) 2nd wife first being Charlotte Hughes who unfortunately died 3 years after their marriage. Thomas married Alice in 1917 Birmingham On marriage cert is as:

Alice Kelly 33yrs widow no occupation father Thomas Dutton occupation packing case maker.

I have found a marriage of a Alice Dutton and a Edward Kelly in 1909 Aston, but cant not seem to find a birth for her. and can not find her in the 1911 census, Do not know where to go from here.

Can anyone help me out please, as this is really frustrating me


Thanks in advance

Di

Hello Diane - who were the witnesses to the marriage? Sometimes we may get some clues from them.

No clues I'm afraid as the witnesses were Harry Shaw which was his brother in law and Charlotte Mulloy his Aunt.

I can see an Alice on 1891 and 1901 census with a father Thomas but cant find her birth.

As for 1911 cant see her anywhere.

DI

is this her first marraige
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: DUTTON, Alice
Registration District: Help Aston
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 6D
Page No: Help 293
MarriageFinder™: Alice Dutton married one of the following people Help

KELLY, Edward

I would assume so Maddie, There is a death for an Edward in 1915 Birmingham.

Di

could this be her in 1901
DUTTON, Thomas Head Married M 45 1856 Tin Plate Worker
B'ham
Warwickshire VIEW
DUTTON, Alice Wife Married F 48 1853 Tin Plate Worker
B'ham
Warwickshire VIEW
DUTTON, Thomas Son Single M 19 1882 Plumber
B'ham
Warwickshire VIEW
DUTTON, William Son Single M 17 1884 Tin Plate Worker
B'ham
Warwickshire VIEW
DUTTON, Alice Daughter Single F 15 1886
B'ham
Warwickshire VIEW
DUTTON, John Son Single M 8 1893
B'ham
Warwickshire VIEW
RG number:
RG13 Piece:
2855 Folio:
71 Page:
41

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
Deritend Enumeration District:
11 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Basils

Civil Parish:
Aston Municipal Borough:
Address:
3, 92, Back Addeley Street, Aston, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

although fathers occupation is different

I saw that Maddie, and wondered if they may have made packing cases out of tin plate (rather like those large vintage metal boxes).

I am thinking it is , even though his occupation is different surely that isn't unusual though, as it is 16 years before the marriage. The thing is I can not find a relevant birth for Alice, and can' t find her or her family in the 1911 census.

So annoying when you think the marriage certificate is going to help you , as so far it hasn't.

Di

Hi MarieCeleste
Could be but he may have changed occupations, there is a 16 year gap

no guarentee but could be her birth
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: DUTTON, Alice
Registration District: Help Birmingham
County: Warwickshire
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: Help 16
Page No: Help 354
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on marriage cert in 1917 it says she is 33 surely she cant have lied she was 30+ years older,

Thanks for trying to help on this one though.

Di

oops, i was looking at the mothers dob
can't see a birth for yong alice
sorry