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have just looked at wolverhampton baptisms,
only to find a John Clark christened on 18Th Nov 1874,
Thomas and Jane are the parents, at St James Church which is 2 miles from Bridge Street Dudley.
Have ordered a birth cert from GRO.
thanks each and every one of you.
am keeping my fingers crossed.

thanks Patchem, William was 14 on the 1901 census, the older of the 2 Thomas is Elizabeth Clarks son and grand son to Jane Evans (clark).

Jane Garland married Thomas Clark Dec 1866 Dudley 6c 87
Thomas Clark died Dudley 1877,
John and Jane married in Spennymoor, Bishop Auckland May 7th 1877.

the thing that has fooled me is the John Jnr in 1911 says he was born in Thornaby Nth Yorks, add that to his marriage cert saying that john senior is his father.

Just for completeness:
1901 England Census
John Evans
Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Evans
Gender: Male Where born: So Staffordshire
Civil parish: Old Park Ecclesiastical parish: Whitworth
Town: Old Park Terrace County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 13 Old park Terrace Occupation: coal miner hewer
Registration district: Auckland Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland
ED, institution, or vessel: 46 Household schedule number: 146 Piece: 4650 Folio: 18 Page Number: 27

John Evans 50 So Staffordshire
Jane Evans 55 So Staffordshire
John Evans 23 So Staffordshire
Samuel Evans 18 Spennymoor, Durham
Thomas S Evans 16 Sherburn, Durham
William Evans 41 Sherburn, Durham POSSIBLY HE IS 14
Thomas W Evans 7 Middlesbons Moor PARENTS?
Mary Evans 20 East Howle, Durham,
Eliza Evans 22 East Howle, Durham,
Annie Evans 23 Stafford (Change of birth place?)
Elizabeth Clarke 29 visitor Sherburn Durham (Change of birth place?)

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4650; Folio: 18; Page: 27.

You have said there are Elizabeth and Mary Clark from the previous marriage. In the 1881 census that Rose has copied is the Elizabeth Clark recorded as Elizabeth Evans age 9?
(Also in that census his Mother Jane is recorded as from Bristol)
Mary Evans in 1881 is recorded as 8 months, so is the Mary Clark a different Mary?
Have you got Jane married to Thomas Clark in 1871, or did she marry after the census?

I do not understand the 1911 census posted.
Who were Florry Evans' parents, and who was Thomas Clark, son, 1894? Is Thomas Clark a son of Mary or Elizabeth Clark?

As John was born before his Mother married John Evans, he would be given his Mother's surname at his birth on the birth certificate, so he would be registered at birth as John Clark.
Just because he was brought up with his Mother married to John Evans and probably regarded John as his Father, does not mean that the birth certificate recorded this fact, as it was not back-dated but recorded facts at the time.
As Rose said, you should be looking for a John Clark.

Thanks brummiejan, its is the same John, his sister mary is witness on the marriage certificate,

Rose, where did you get the name clark from, Jane Evans was married to a Thomas Clark so John could be John Clark, but on John's marriage certificate he has put John Evans down as his father, there is an Elizabeth and a Mary clark from Jane's previous marriage.
will have to look at the sept 1874 Birth and buy another certificate

Thanks brummiejan, its is the same John, his sister mary is witness on the marriage certificate,

Rose, where did you get the name clark from, Jane Evans was married to a Thomas Clark so John could be John Clark, but on John's marriage certificate he has put John Evans down as his father, there is an Elizabeth and a Mary clark from Jane's previous marriage.
will have to look at the sept 1874 Birth and buy another certificate

This one?

Births Sep 1874
Evans John Dudley 6c 6

Rose

If this is his baptism, this helps narrow down the year.

From Pilot Family Search:

Name: John Evans
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 20 Aug 1874
Baptism/Christening Place: Tipton, Stafford, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Evans
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Jane
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01086-8
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 6085678
Reference Number: 816 p102
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Rose

1881 Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
John EVANS Head M Male 30 Dark Laine, Stafford, England Coal Miner
Jane EVANS Wife M Female 30 Bristol, Gloucester, England
Elizabeth EVANS Daur Female 9 Broadstreet, Stafford, England Scholar
John EVANS Son Male 6 Broadstreet, Stafford, England Scholar
Annie P. EVANS Daur Female 5 East Howle, Durham, England
Eliza A. EVANS Daur Female 2 East Howle, Durham, England
Mary EVANS Daur Female 8 m Middlestone Moor, Durham, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 59 Craddock St
Census Place Whitworth, Durham, England
Family History Library Film 1342183
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4922 / 73
Page Number 17

Rose

Have you tried looking for a John Clark?

Rose

Draggon Villa it is!

EVANS, John Head Married M 62 1849 Coal Mines Hewer South Staffordshire VIEW
EVANS, Jane Wife Married
38 years F 64 1847 South Staffordshire VIEW
EVANS, Eliza Daughter Single F 34 1877 Servant Easthowle Durham VIEW
EVANS, Samuel Son Single M 29 1882 Stone-Man Coal Mine Underground Spennymoor Durham VIEW
EVANS, Thomas Son Single M 27 1884 Datle Work Labourer General Draggon Villa Durham VIEW
EVANS, Florry Daughter F 7 1904 Old Park Terrace Durham VIEW
CLARK, Thomas Son Single M 17 1894 Datle Work Labourer General Spennymoor Durham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
29731 Reference:
RG14PN29731 RG78PN1721 RD547 SD1 ED29 SN136

Registration District:
Auckland Sub District:
Bishop Auckland Enumeration District:
29 Parish:
Whitworth

Address:
64 Craddock St Spennymoor County:
Durham

If John's father married Jane in 1877, this was after the birth of the oldest children from the 1891 census that I posted.
Is this correct?

Just wondering if this is the Staffs John?? Brierley Hill is in the right sort of area.

EVANS, John Head Married M 35 1876 Machine Fitter England Staffordshire Briely Hill VIEW
EVANS, Ida Wilhelimina Wife Married F 27 1884 Northumberland North Shields VIEW
EVANS, John Son M 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Durham St Pauls Darlington VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
29520 Reference:
RG14PN29520 RG78PN1715 RD543 SD2 ED17 SN117

Registration District:
Darlington Sub District:
Darlington Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
Darlington

Address:
13 Edmund St Darlington County:
Durham

Just for reference:
1891 England Census
John Evans
Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Evans
Gender: Male Where born: Cowsley, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Byers Green Ecclesiastical parish: Byers Green
Town: Byers Green County/Island: Durham
Country: England Street Address: Colliery Rows
Occupation: coal miner
Registration district: Auckland Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland
ED, institution, or vessel: 41 Piece: 4073 Folio: 126 Page Number: 14

John Evans 39 Cowsley Staffs
Jane Evans 44 Cowsley staffs
Annie Maria Evans 14 East Howle, Durham,
John Evans 15 Cowsley, Staffordshire
Eliza Evans 12 East Howle, Durham,
Mary Evans 10 Middleston Moor, Durham,
Samuel Evans 8 Spennymoor, Durham
Thomas Evans 6 Dragon Erlla, Durham (Dragon Villa?)
William Evans 4 Dragon Erlla, Durham

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4073; Folio 126; Page 14; GSU roll: 6099183.

At the risk of sounding a bit thick, how do you know the John Evans who married Ruth is the same as Florence's uncle?
Jan

My grandmother Florence Evans born 1903 in Bishop Aukland had an uncle John born about 1875,
We can find him on 1881 census at craddock st, Spennymoor and it says born South Staffs.
we can find him on 1891 at byers green bishop Aukland and it says born 1876 at coseley south staffs
we can find him on 1901 census at Old Park Bishop Auckland and it says born Staffordshire
in 1906 he married a Ruth Peacock Daynes
on the 1911 we can find him with Ruth, but it says John was born at Thornaby in north Yorkshire, but we have not been able to establish his birth place, so far we have ordered 4 birth certs his father is john,
we odered a Birth certificate for a john evans born in dudley 1875 Dec 06C 75, only to find this one was born to a David Evans
We ordered another certificate for a john evans born in 1872 in Tipton but it was again the wrong father. Both certs where ordered on the evidence of the census details.
since then we have ordered another for a john evans born in Bishop Auckland But again the wrong Father,
after finding the evidence on the 1911 census that said he was born in Thornaby we have ordered a birth cert that has the correct father but cannot establish this as the correct birth, it shows his mother to be a Frances Evans formaly Fite, His father John married Jane clark in may 1877 at Spennmoor, so this last birth cert cant be the John that we are looking for.

are we missing a trick or is this one of those unsolvable problems?