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Please could anyone help shed some light on the members of this family. I seem to have "lost" them. On the 1891 census I have father William Pateman, mother Johanna (Hogan of Ireland) Pateman, daughters Ellen, Sarah, Mary Ethel Bridget and son Harry. I also found there was a daughter born 1875 called Julia. I have searched and cannot find any trace of Julia, Sarah or their parents. I have found information and researched Harry, Ellen (who married a Frederick Stevens) and Mary Ethel Bridget but would love to find information on either the parents who I know died soon after, I wondered if the children Julia and Sarah also died.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards

A Frustrated searcher!

just for info
PATEMAN, William Head Married M 39 1852 Bricklayers Labourer
Kentish Town
London VIEW
PATEMAN, Johanna Wife Married F 38 1853
Ireland VIEW
PATEMAN, Ellen Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Kentish Town
London VIEW
PATEMAN, Sarah Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Kentish Town
London VIEW
PATEMAN, Harry Son M 3 1888 Scholar
Kentish Town
London VIEW
PATEMAN, Mary E B Daughter F 0 (2M) 1891
Kentish Town
London VIEW
RG number:
RG12 Piece:
133 Folio:
114 Page:
30

Registration District:
Pancras Sub District:
Kentish Town Enumeration District:
15 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Martins

Civil Parish:
St Pancras Municipal Borough:
Address:
3, Dalby Street, St Pancras County:
London

Thanks have this info but just dont seem to find anything else. Cant even find death records of William and Johanna. Many thanks anyway

jjohanna
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Death
Name: PATEMAN, Johanna
Registration District: Help Pancras
County: London
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 42
Volume No: 1B
Page No: 88

This certainly looks like it could be her I know she died young.

could be harry
1901
PATEMEN, Harry Inmate School M 13 1888
London VIEW
RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1638 Folio:
75 Page:
2

Registration District:
Epping Sub District:
Chigwell Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mary

Civil Parish:
Chigwell Municipal Borough:
Address:
Chigwell County:
Essex

I know that Harry lived with his sister Ellen and then moved to Barnstaple Devon whre he died at the age of 65. He was a turner. This is interesting about the Inmate School.

possibly ellen in 1901
STEVENS, Elizabeth Head Widow F 69 1832 Living On Own Means
Wavenden
Buckinghamshire VIEW
STEVENS, Frederick Son Single M 26 1875 Van Traveller Mineral Water
St Pancras
London VIEW
PATEMAN, Ellen Boarder Single F 22 1879 Cook Domestic
St Pancras
London VIEW
RG number:
RG13 Piece:
134 Folio:
101 Page:
80

Registration District:
St Pancras Sub District:
Regent's Park Enumeration District:
20 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Holy Trinity

Civil Parish:
St Pancras Municipal Borough:
Address:
44, Victoria Road, St Pancras County:
London

could be ellens marraige
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: PATEMAN, Ellen
Registration District: Help Pancras
County: London
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1B
Page No: Help 26
MarriageFinder™: Ellen Pateman married one of the following people Help
CHURTON, Robert Arthur view record


STEVENS, Frederick view record

1881


1230 PATEMAN, William Head Married M 29 1852 Brickmaker
Kentish Town
Middlesex VIEW
1230 PATEMAN, Johanna Wife Married F 29 1852
Ireland VIEW
1230 PATEMAN, Julia Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Kentish Town
Middlesex VIEW
1230 PATEMAN, Nellie Daughter Single F 2 1879
Kentish Town
Middlesex VIEW
1230 PATEMAN, Sophia Sarah Daughter Single F 0 1881
Kentish Town
Middlesex VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
214 Folio:
121 Page:
48

Registration District:
Pancras Sub District:
Kentish Town Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St Pancras Municipal Borough:
Address:
14, Grafton Tce, St Pancras County:
Middlesex

1911 for ellen
STEVENS, Frederick Head Married M 37 1874 Minaral Water Carman Kentish Town St Pancras VIEW
STEVENS, Ellen Wife Wife F 32 1879 Cook In Mineral Water Factory Kentish Town St Pancras VIEW
ONIEL, Jane Sister In Law Widow F 27 1884 Battersea London VIEW
ONIEL, Walter John Nephes M 1 1910 Dublin Ireland VIEW
PATEMAN, Henry Brother In Law Single M 23 1888 Engineer Turner Kentish Town London VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
724 Reference:
RG14PN724 RG78PN25 RD9 SD3 ED13 SN667

Registration District:
St Pancras Sub District:
East St Pancras Enumeration District:
13 Parish:
St Pancras

Address:
20 Elm Road Camden Town NW County:
London

this really is a longshot
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Julia Pateman
Name: Julia Pateman
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1955
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Wellingborough
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 602

This is certainly Ellen Pateman/Stevens. This is when I learnt Harry was an Engineer Turner.

Re the census that shows Sophia Sarah and Nellie. Nellie is Ellen and I am sure there was a transcription error as it is Sarah. I did try to look for Sophia Pateman but couldnt find anything there either.

I cant find any marriage or death details for Julia either so your long shot might not be such a long shot.

sara's birth
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: PATEMAN, Sarah Ann
Registration District: Help Pancras
County: London
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: Help 1B
Page No: Help 174
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her marraige
BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: PATEMAN, Sarah
Registration District: Help Pancras
County: London
Year of Registration: 1897
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 1B
Page No: Help 327
MarriageFinder™: Sarah Pateman married one of the following people Help


BERRY, William Lacey view record


GOLDSMITH, John view record


1901
1901 England Census about Sarah Goldsmith
Name: Sarah Goldsmith
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Goldsmith
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, London, England

Civil parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Cross
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Gray's Inn Lane
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 486
Piece: 140
Folio: 41
Page Number: 73
Household Members:
Name Age
John Goldsmith 20
Sarah Goldsmith 20
John Goldsmith 1

On the original of the 1881 census Julia appears to be aged 10, not 6 as transcribed. Can someone else have a look ?

Actually it looked like 14 to me. But def doesnt look like 6!