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Clementia married a Charles Hall in 1895 and they had my grandfather Charles Frederick Hall in 1896. This is the last mention of Clementia in any records. By 1902 Charles Hall was in another relationship with a Elizabeth Spurdens and they had a daughter Elizabeth Lilian Hall in 1902. My mother, was bridesmaid at her wedding. I think my grandfather was fostered out to a family called Cossons(1901 census) but was back with the family by the 1911 census. But what happened to Clementia? I can find no death record for her. I'm not even sure that my great grandfather and Elizabeth spurdens were actially married. Did Clementia go into some sort of institution and get 'lost'?Is it possible to find information on divorces?I know my grandfather had a very poor relationship with his 'mother' Elizabeth. HELP! :-S

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1895 (>99%)
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Elliott Percy John Wandsworth 1d 951
Gilham Charlotte Wandsworth 1d 951
>>>>Hall Charles Henry Wandsworth 1d 951
>>>>Harris Clementia Maud Wandsworth 1d 951

Marriages Dec 1935 (>99%)

Hall Charles H Spurdens Lambeth 1d 619
Spurdens Elizabeth A Hall Lambeth 1d 619

Births Mar 1874 (>99%)
Harris Clementia Maud Blean 2a 760

Name: Charles Henry Hall
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1896
Baptism Date: 21 Jun 1896
Father's name: Charles Henry Hall
Mother's name: Clementia Maud Hall
Parish or Poor Law Union: Stockwell Green St Andrew
Borough: Lambeth

(born 18th March, fathers occ. Bricklayer, 23 Fenwick Place)

Chris :)


Name: Elizabeth Lillian Hall
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1902
Baptism Date: 9 Nov 1902
Father's name: Charles Henry Hall
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ann Hall
Parish or Poor Law Union: Earlsfield St Andrew
Borough: Wandsworth

(45, Ravensbury Road, occ. Bricklayer)

Is this her with her brother?

20 United States Federal Census
about Clementia M Harris
Name: Clementia M Harris
Home in 1920: Brooklyn Assembly District 15, Kings, New York
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Sister
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Female
Year of immigration: 1900
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred E Harris 53
Clementia M Harris 46


Immigration year: 1900

Edit: Checked that shipping record and it has their last address as Birmingham?

Could be her Father........with her married sister Susannah??

Note Susannah has a daughter called Clementina......



1911 census - household transcription
Person: HARRIS, William Parker
Address: 166 Grenville Road Plymouth Devon

LEAFORD, William Head Married M 51 1860 Job Waiter Little Downham Cambs VIEW
LEAFORD, Susannah Elizabeth Wife Married
21 years F 49 1862 Godmersham Kent VIEW
LEAFORD, William Harris Son Single M 16 1895 Outfitters Assistant Devon Plympton VIEW
LEAFORD, Dorothy Mary Daughter F 11 1900 School Devon Plympton VIEW
LEAFORD, Clementina Elizabeth Daughter F 9 1902 School Devon Plympton VIEW
HARRIS, William Parker Widower M 75 1836 Carpenter Immerty Kent Kennington VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
12965 Reference:
RG14PN12965 RG78PN748 RD276 SD2 ED7 SN272

Registration District:
Plymouth Sub District:
Plymouth South East Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Plymouth

Address:
166 Grenville Road Plymouth Devon County:
Devonshire

According to the marriage record her father was Joseph I think?


Yes, here it is


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Clementia Maud Harris
Name: Clementia Maud Harris
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Spouse Name: Charles Henry Hall
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 12 May 1895
Parish: St Luke, Battersea
County: Surrey
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: Joseph Harris
Spouse Father Name: Charles Hall



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Births Dec 1866 (>99%)
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Harris Alfred E Blean 2a 681


Looks like her brother! So she went to the US by the looks lof things

Phew!!

Well done Ginny!

1911 (is this the one you mean?)

HALL, Charles Head Married M 41 1870 Brick Layer Lewisham Kent
HALL, Elizabeth Wife Married
16 years F 36 1875 Lambeth Surrey
HALL, Charles Son Single M 15 1896 Battersea Surrey
HALL, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 8 1903 Wandsworth Surrey
HUGTON, Ellen Boarder Widower F 66 1845 Plymouth

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2417 Reference:
RG14PN2417 RG78PN80 RD26 SD7 ED26 SN176

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
Southfields Enumeration District:
26 Parish:
Wandsworth

Address:
6 Soho Terrace Allfarthing Lane County:
London


1901 ?...

HALL, Charles Head Married M 28 1873 Bricklayer
Lewisham
Kent VIEW
HALL, Elizth Wife Married F 26 1875
Lambeth
London VIEW
HALL, Charles Son M 5 1896
Battersea

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
558 Folio:
46 Page:
26

Registration District:
Lewisham Sub District:
Sydenham Enumeration District:
12 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Philips

Civil Parish:
Lewisham Municipal Borough:
Address:
21, Dallas Road, Lewisham County:
London

(1901 Charles with John Cosson, says born Ramsgate, Kent)

1891 (just adding this one, the witnesses on marriage cert.)

CROSS, Francis Head Married M 42 1849 Police Constable
Marcham
Berkshire
CROSS, Eliza Wife Married F 44 1847
Sittingbourne
Kent
HARRIS, Fredrick Son In Law M 19 1872 General Porter
Swalecliff
Kent

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
409 Folio:
9 Page:
9

Registration District:
Lambeth Sub District:
Brixton Enumeration District:
11 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Andrew

Civil Parish:
Lambeth Municipal Borough:
Address:
23, Fenwick Place, Lambeth County:
London

I cant see her after the 1920 and I cant find her on the 1910. She was defo there as I have looked at the shipping record

passenger transcript details
Name: Clementina HARRIS
Date of departure: 22 August 1900
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1873 (calculated from age)
Age: 27
Marital status: Single
Sex: Female
Occupation: Cleaner


The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Alfred E HARRIS Page 13 of 33


Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
OCEANIC

John G Cameron

New York, USA
28601
6989
1578

(Yep Ginny, out they go, lol)

Chris :)

1910 United States Federal Census
about Clementin Harris
Name: Clementin Harris
[Clementia Harris]
[Clementin Harrio]
Age in 1910: 28
Estimated Birth Year: 1882
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Sister
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Home in 1910: Brooklyn Ward 17, Kings, New York
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Year of immigration: 1900
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Harris 30
Clementin Harris 28

Nice one Chris.....the US air made her much younger!

Interesting.....immigration year 1900 but I think the birth pace says Italy. If this is her it could be that the enumerator wrote the same birth place as her husband?


1930 United States Federal Census
about Clementia Tubeia
Name: Clementia Tubeia
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
View Map
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph Tubeia
Race: White

Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Tubeia 60
Clementia Tubeia 53



Age at first marriage 60 and 53 so they just got married

Thank You Thank you, everyone for responding! Gets me out of a hole that I've been stuck in! I can move on from here with this information. Some of it I had but Ginny's post for America is stunning news. She had such an unusual first name Clementia, that it couldn't possibly be anyone else, could it?Also Chris Ho for the 1901 census result. And yes Chris the 1911 census was the one I meant. I will go back to births and see if I can find another one for my grandfather in 1896 other than the one with Clementia as his mother, now that I have better info to follow up on. You're wonderful people and have made my day!! Pauline

Bless you Pauline....youre welcome

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