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Look up please for Canada 1891 census

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mgnv

mgnv Report 4 Jul 2011 07:47

At LAC Crockford 1891 finds posted h/h
1891 Ernest + Julius missing
1891 Anthony Thomas Crockford is Thos Crawford (son Henry Thos is also Thos)
NB I did a free search on Ancestry for Fred b 1887 +/-2 s/o Mary in Ont, and picked him out of 449 hits (He's transcribed as Fred K Crawford - Toronto City).

LAC Crockford 1881 is no problem - but can't find Anthony

1901 AG - Crockford gets 2 of Anthony's sons - they're in the Loyal TB Orphange in Picton, PE Co (PE Co is an island in L Ontario, abt 200km E of Toronto).
Ancestry Crockford gets the 1891 family in Simcoe East less Fred b 1821 - so AG has mistranscribed them.
So we back up to the start page, click Ontario, then Simcoe East, then the C surnames.
Next CTRL F gets the find, and look for "ford" and we try Clockford, and see:

1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: ON SIMCOE (East/Est) (#113)
Subdistrict: Orillia H-7 Page 10
Details: Schedule 1
18 89 Clockford Margeart F Head W Aug 11 1822 78
etc

Now, in 1901, Schedule 1 was for people and Schedule 2 was for the house, so use the 1901 geographic link with the above info to get Sched 2.
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z003/z000101620.pdf

It shows the addy is Concession 2 Lot 5(part)

I don't find Ernest, nor Julian


Now 1911 Crockford in Ontario at AG gets Fred, the 3 girls, and Julius + h/h - all in Simcoe East.
Note "There is one correction where the suggested surname correction is crockford." - that link gets Alex.
Don't see Ernest, nor Anthony's 3 kids, but a search on Ancestry suggests the latter are all in Toronto Centre.
So again we go to the C surname lists, and find them as Crochford.


Finally, I did a search at FS for 1871:

Name:Fredk Crockford
Gender:Male
Age:49
Calculated Birth Year:1822
Country or Province of Birth:Engd
Marital Status:Married
Ethnic Origin:English
Religion:Ch Of Eng
Census Place:02, Orillia k, North Simcoe 42, Ontario
Page Number:12
Line Number:19 [P12L19-20, P13L1-8]
House Number:36
Family Number:36
Film Number:4396755
Library and Archives Canada Film Number:C-9964
Digital Folder Number:4396755
Image Number:00367

Household Gender Age
Fredk Crockford M 49
Margt Crockford F 47
Fredk Crockford M 20
Alexander Crockford M 13
Ernest Crockford M 10
Julius Crockford M 7
Sarah Crockford F 19
Silvia Crockford F 16
Victorine Crockford F 12
Anthony Crockford M 13

Now it's hard to construct a h/h if it contains non-Crockfords whose name I can't guess.
(There's no Mary Taylor, but who knows if there's others there.)
Note order is Head, Wife, Sons, Daurs, then Anthony.
It was this odd placing for Anthony that suggested to me he might be Fredk's nephew.
[You could ask here for an 1871 image, or wait until the end of summer when it'll be free at LAC]


Now for some other links:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ote/orphans/loyal-true-blue-orphanage.htm

For concession maps:
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/SearchMapframes.php

Clicking on Simcoe, then the township, we see we have a problem - there's 2 Orillias.
For ref, we see that Marchmont is in C 1 L 1SW in N Orillia Twp.
CAUTION These maps aren't always oriented so N is top - here NW is top.

From the 1872 directory, Fred is a freeholder in S Orillia Twp (C2 L5):
http://www.waynecook.com/1872_Gazatteer.html
http://www.waynecook.com/simcoe.shtml

So it's S Orillia Twp we want. Note there's a diagonal road crossing the line road on the NE boundary of C2 L5 - this is now the Transcanada.

Look up Marchmont, Ontario at http://maps.google.com/
Concession 2 lies between Wainman Line and Fairgrounds Rd

Here I think a full lot is 4400' x 1980' (66.67 chains x 30 chns), so is 2000 sq chns in size, i.e., 200 acres.

mgnv

mgnv Report 4 Jul 2011 07:45

Ken - I've got to change my notes file now, and you've had a few days to search, so I thought I'd go over what I found.

Firstly, I didn't notice there's no ref posted to FamilySearch, so go to https://www.familysearch.org/ and browse by location.
Here, we're interested in Canada (1871) and Ontario (BMDs).

Re the BMDs, there are Orillia/Simcoe deaths for Fred & Margt, and all 7 kids except Alex (NB Ernest b 1861-ish Julius b 1864-ish).
(NB Irok Crockford I think is Frdk Crockford mistranscribed, sim Earnest Brockford - I've not seen originals)
You'll note from the d.regos, there's some confusion abt Margt's MS - Smith/Grattan

FreeBMD has:
Marriages Sep 1869 (>99%)
>>CROCKFORD Frederick St Giles 1b 811
>>Grattan Margaret St. Giles 1b 811
LEAFE Henry St. Giles 1b 811
SCANLAN Catherine St. Giles 1b 811

but that's an odd date - after all the kids are born, and just before they emigrate - I wonder who her dad is on m.cert.
NB Son Fred is Frederick Smith Crockford on his d.rego.

While you're doing BMDs, keep an eye out for Anthony Thos. Crockford d 4/10/1894 @ Toronto.
Anthony Thomas Crockford & Mary Christina Milloy had 3 sons:
Frederick Alexander Crockford b 29/12/1886 @ Toronto
Henry Thomas Crockford b 25/12/1889 @ Toronto
Charles Archibald Crockford b 23/3/1892 @ Toronto


Next, some UK searches (I don't have an Ancestry sub, as you'll see by lack of detail on free searches)

1861 Pancras RD (rg9/102) has the 1891 Crockford h/h + 3 servants

1851 St George Hanover Sq RD (ho107/1475) has Sarah with 3 kids:
Sarah F Caockford abt 1791
Frederick Caockford abt 1822
Felix Caockford abt 1827
Harriet Caockford abt 1825

1861 Pancras RD (rg9/124) has:
Felix Crockford abt 1829 city, Middlesex, England Head city, Middlesex
Maria Crockford abt 1836 city, Surrey, England Wife city, Middlesex
Anthony Crockford abt 1857 city, Middlesex, Son city, Middlesex


The 1901/11 censuses give d.o.immigration - 1869 for girls - and everyone incl Anthony's here by 1871.

So use the census links URL I gave in an earlier post, and click on intro in the left margin, then drill-down via immig.
We want the 1865-1900 Quebec index.

A search for Crockford finds Felix + Anthony (1870), and Mr F plus the 4 women (1869).
Also on Mr F's ship we find:

Name:CRAWFORD, Julius
Age:5
Date of Arrival (YYYY/MM/DD) :1869/09/16
Port of Arrival:Québec
Ship:NOVA SCOTIAN
Reference:RG 76
Microfilm:C-4524

Unlike Felix, there's no linked image for our 1869 trip, so back out and search in "Passenger Lists, 1865-1922".
We find Mr & Mrs Crockford with the girls travelling in cabin class,
and the 4 "Crawford" boys accompanied by Mary Taylor in steerage.


Back out to the gateway/intro page.
In left margin, click Ancestor search (for Crockford) it's Ernest you want.
Seems he went out west for the NW Rebellion. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Riel

Back out again and take the military - WW1 link, then the search our "Soldiers of the First World War" database link for Crockford
It looks like there's two of Anthony's sons there, and his cousin Fred b 18/5/1850!
Normally, you can click on their view image link, and see their attestation papers, but not today.
(LAC seem to be in the midst of changing their site.)

mgnv

mgnv Report 29 Jun 2011 19:35

You can search 1881 and later censuses (and get images) via the links at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.009-e.html

Ken

Ken Report 29 Jun 2011 12:54

Margee

Thank you again, that will come in very handy.

Ken

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 29 Jun 2011 12:46

You're very welcome, Ken.
Do you know about this site for BMD's in Ontario?

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onvsr/index.htm

Ken

Ken Report 29 Jun 2011 12:42


Margee

How nice of you for doing this for me and so fast, thank you very much.

Ken

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 29 Jun 2011 12:37

1891 Census of Canada
about Fred Crockford Name: Fred Crockford
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 70
Birth Year: abt 1821
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Religion: Church of England
French Canadian: No
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Province: Ontario
District Number: 116
District: Simcoe East
Subdistrict: Orillia
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Fred Crockford 70
Margaret Crockford 68
Fredrick Crockford 40
Sarah F Crockford 38
Anna S Crockford 35
Alexander Crockford 34
Victorine Crockford 32

They were all born England.



Ken

Ken Report 29 Jun 2011 12:29

Can I get a look up please for Frederick (Fred) and Margaret Crockford and family in the 1891 census for Canada “Simcoe East Ontario”

Thank you

Ken