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Can anyone tell me how to find out the parents names of convicts that were transported to australia in 1833

I am not really much help on this but there is someone on here called TonyOz who is quite expert at finding details of convicts.

I am sure he will see your thread and dive in to help but if not, have a look for him on this board.

I think that if you knew of a marriage for him then the cert would also give parents details?

What info do you already have on this person?

Dea x

Chebby,

TonyOz convicts thread is

www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1215607

I have nudged it up for you

Hi Chebby.

Unfortunatley, there is no sure fire way of finding out the parents names of convict transportee's.

By 1833 Australia was only 50 odd years old ( White European settlement ) and proper indexing bdm's.....not yet established.

Australia is full of unmarked graves of unknown convicts who were sent out to the Colonies.
Most convict ships had on-board surgeons that took down particulars of a convict in ledger books/surgeon report. ( Many held in State archives ) However, some records do have parents names listed, but they are far and few between,also remembering many young boys and girls were grabbed off the streets in the U.K for misdemeanors ( "lesser" criminal acts ) and sent out to Australia....and many could neither read nor write.
I have seen and read many Convict reports over the years with parents listed as "unknown"

If you have any details and/or names of the person you are looking for it may benefit you to add it to your thread,( if you wish ) and perhaps myself or others may be able to help, or at least check what records can be found.

If you have a name and birth year,plus place of birth, you could also try.

https://www.familysearch.org/

Tony ( Australia ):-)

Thank you everyone for your advice.
All I know of her is her name Eliza Baldwinson and was aged 18 at the time of her sentence. She was convicted in the Old Bailey in 1832 - said she was living in Middlesex, another report said Dury Lane (wherever that may be). I later found on her ticket of leave that she married another convict named James Lock and her native area was Oxford.
After I posted this thread I came across her marriage certifcate to James Lock, in Sydney 1834, so I will apply for that and see if it tells me anymore
Once again thanks for your comments and advice
Cherie

A google search seems to show that Eliza was already married and her parents worked at the Olympic Theatre, Drury Lane. - Mother as a Charwoman and father as a servant.

Obviously, if she were married then her parents would not have the name Baldwinson so that makes things even more difficult.

Can't see a marriage at the moment.

Dea x

Chebby,

They had a son also, it might give details of Eliza's maiden name.

I am not sure what the marriage certificates had in the very early years, but in later years they had details of parents names, where born, occupation, ages

Reg No/Yr Surname Name Fathers Name Mothers Name
V183630020/1836 Lock William J James Eliza

????sadly his death, two registrations
V1836286 20/1836 William J Infant
also
V1836300 20/1836 William J Infant

If you wish to purchase any certificates from N.S.W. go to

www.joymurrin.com.au

they are a cheaper

Joy

Hi Cherie.

BALDWINSON, Eliza EM 34710 Marriage
Spouse: LOCK, James
Index Year: 1834
Reg Year: 1834
Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: V18341272 18
Parish: Sydney, St James', Church of England


Two possible deaths NSW

LOCK, Eliza..........CD 517580 Death
Father: George
Mother: Eliza
Index Year: 1886
Reg Year: 1886
Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: 7111


LOCK, Eliza J...........CD 517581 Death
Father: William
Mother: Maria
Index Year: 1869
Reg Year: 1869
Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: 3745

Tony :-)

Her Court hearing at the Old Bailey does state she has a dissipated Mother in Law.....so it does appear she was married.

DANIEL BRICE. This is my dress - I do not know what rent the prisoner paid; I think I was out of town when she took the lodging, but her money being spent, and having a dissipated mother-in-law, and but few clothes, I said she might stay and do needle-work - she left me on the Saturday, to go to a place in Oxford-street, as she told us - on the Monday we missed a gown, and on further search we missed this dress; her mother is a kind of charwoman at the Olympic theatre, and her father is a servant there.

Thanks Tony,

That is where I got my info from above but I couldn't get the ***** thing to copy properly to past!

I can't find a marriage for her though

Dea x

New South Wales, Australia, Registers of Convicts' Applications to Marry, 1826-1851
about Eliza Baldwinson
Name: Eliza Baldwinson
Age: 19
Birth Year: Abt 1815
Spouse: James Look
Request Status: Granted
Date of Permission/Refusal: 14 Mar 1834

Checked Family search ( IGI ) for a BALDWINSON marriage to an Eliza between 1827 & 1832 ( given her age and approx birth year ).....but i also cannot find one.

Closest can see is John BALDWIN to Eliza OLIVER 1827 Sussex....and a Edward BALDWIN to Eliza SHORT 1829 Sussex.

Although....... the IGI is really only a guide.

Hopefully her marriage cert may have parents names, but as she was over 21 years of age by 1834 ( marriage to James LOCK) it wasnt mandatory to add parents names.

Tony

Still cant find a marriage for Eliza, to a Baldwinson or parents names.

Just for reference, and a little added information, in case you havent seen this Cherie.

Most probable from the voyage out to Australia aboard the "Fanny"

National Archives U.K
Folio 24: Eliza Baldwinson, aged 19, convict; sick or hurt, cholera relapsed; put on sick list 19 July 1832, discharged 3 August 1832 cured.

Folio 14: case no 13, Eliza Baldwinson, aged 19, convict, taken ill near Island of Trinidad; sick or hurt, scorbutus, suffered much during the passage as well as at Standgate Creek and in the Downs from repeated relapses of cholera and remittent fever, she is ordered two ounces of lemon juice daily and a proper proportion of sugar; put on sick list 19 September 1832, discharged 6 November 1832 cured. According to the surgeon in this case and other that followed had some peculiarities in the course and symptoms of the disease that he never seen before, he observed that one set of small vessicles succeeded another with rapidly increased in size in some cases nearly the whole body was one continued ulcer and was particularly so in this case. The surgeon also stated that he found here [the Fanny] as in his former ship [the Aetna] that after the disease became [a?] neither lemon juice, nitre, preserved meat nor soups would cure the disease, and he mentioned that if the ship had not put into the Cape [of Good Hope] several must have died.


July, all of cholera. Later in the voyage Ann Jones died after giving birth on 13th October. Fanny Barr died 22 January 22 1833 after a fever of several weeks. Eliza Baldwinson came close to death after suffering scurvy for most of the voyage. On the 7th February the following notice appeared in the Sydney Gazette: 'Families who are in want of female servants, may be supplied from the prisoners who arrived in the Fanny, provided they apply according to the established form. The assignees will be required to enter into an engagement, under a penalty of forty shillings, to keep their servants for one month, unless removed by due course of law'


Tony

Thanks everyone. I did receive her marriage certificate, sadly no parents names.
I have read all the transcripts of her trial, her voyage out here and to her marriage in Australia, and the birth of their son William J Lock who was born in Parramatta, New South Wales, in 1834 but sadly he died that same year.
Looks like it might be a lost cause
Cherie