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I have been searching for years now (Ancestry - FMP - Record Offices- Family Search) if you have access to any of the other more expensive ones or are good at wills or newspapers - I would appreciate your ideas.

I am looking for a birth/baptism date & parents for:
Emma Sophia Bourn

Marriage details (on ancesrty & at Record office)
18 Dec 1836 St George, Southwark, England
to
Joseph Mallows Edwards (all his details found & proved)

1841 Census
St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, England
Joseph Edwards 25
Emma Edwards 25? poss 21
Richard Edwards 3
Louisa Edwards 5 months

I have Joseph & Richard on all the other census records & know Joseph married again (record office records etc)

Have now found out that Louisa died June 1847 possibly at the Poor Law Union in Horsley Down.
(thanks to a very kind GR member who cannot update on this thread)

May have found a death record for Emma Oct-Dec 1847 vol 3 page 218 - but can't afford the cert at this moment in time to prove it

Thank you in advance for any help with where to look etc it has been driving me crazy for years

Banns show her as Bourn

Marriage as Brown but it is Bourn on image

Witnesses look like John and Mary Bourn

thank you Glitterbaby - i must have missed that somewhere - I couldn't see any witnesses (Eyesight problems again)

Thats such a big help - thank you so very much - really appreciate that

Will see if I can have another trip to the record office again - saving up to go to the LMA as it may have better records

Have you looked at the original image on the 1841?

if you look you will see that Joseph and Emma are living next door to John Bourn Shoemaker age 60? May be 50. Also in the house Mary age 50 Joseph 25 and Mary 25.

Bourn
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Gender: Male

Civil parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Household Members: Name Age
John Bourn 60
Joseph Bourn 25
Mary Bourn 50
Mary Bourn 25

Is this one too old

Name: John Bourn
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1850
Burial Date: 3 Mar 1850
Age: 90
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1760
Parish or Poor Law Union: Horselydown St John
Borough: Southwark
County: Surrey

Address is Thornton St


Only becuase of location of death of Louisa Edwards in 1847



This marriage matches Joseph Bourn on 1841 census showing just above the Edwards family

Name: Joseph Bourn
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Spouse Name: Caroline Parish
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Aug 1844
Parish: St James, Bermondsey
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Bourn
Spouse Father Name: James Crossley


Still no idea if related or not

John Bourn's signatures on the two marriages look very similar.

Thank you all so very much - I really appreciate this - I can't tell you how much i value your help - all 3 of you

Have to admit - I didn't have access to view the original 1841 - but i do now as I have upgraded

Its given me such a good lead to work on

Its wonderful when you get new people looking at an old problem - they find so many diffferent things for you

Hopefully its broken down another brick wall for me

Well tried all afternoon on ancestry & Family search - still no Emma Sophia, or any possible variation on a theme

Its a start found a few children for John & Mary but thats the extent of the trawl

Never mind - thanks again for all the help - I must try harder on the census records - didn't even notice the bourn's next door - talk about stupid - can't see for looking