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Fresh eyes needed please. Could anyone please have a look at the 1871 census for Edward Barnes age 5, I think he was born in Yorkshire. His father was also Edward and they moved to Lancashire but not sure when, many thanks for any help.

there's a gremlin the works!!!!

seem to be a few Edward Barnes


Edward Barnes
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth: 1866 —Beggerton, Yorkshire
residence: 31 Mar 1901 —St Helens, Lancashire, England
census: 31 Mar 1901 —St Helens, Lancashire, England



Edward Barnes
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth: 1867 —Sheffield, Yorkshire
residence: 31 Mar 1901 —Sheffield, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
census: 31 Mar 1901 —Sheffield, Yorkshire (West Riding), England



Edward Barnes
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth: 1867 —Sheffield, Yorkshire
residence: 31 Mar 1901 —Pinxton, Nottinghamshire, England
census: 31 Mar 1901 —Pinxton, Nottinghamshire, England

this one moved to Lancashire


Edward Barnes
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth: 1866 —Beggerton, Yorkshire
residence: 31 Mar 1901 —St Helens, Lancashire, England
census: 31 Mar 1901 —St Helens, Lancashire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Edward Barnes
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
age: 35
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Beggerton, Yorkshire
record type: Household
registration district: Prescot
sub-district: St Helens
ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
civil parish: St Helens
county: Prescot, St Helens, St Helens, Lancashire

Thank you Ann, yes I think there is a Gremlin in the Works lol! That 1901 census is correct but I am trying to find him with his father in 1871, I've never heard of Beggerton Yorkshire so it is proving more difficult that I thought x

Could it be Bickerton, Yorkshire?

Have you looked for them in 1881?

It's FREE to all

Did you get the father's name from Edward's marriage cert? if so....what was the father's occupation?

NOT born in Yorkshire..............according to 1911


Person: BARNES, William
Address: 9 Morgan St St Helens


BARNES, Edward Head Married M 46 1865 Metal Contractor In Mine Colliery Tredager VIEW
BARNES, Elizabeth Wife Married
23 years F 42 1869 Wigan Lanc VIEW
BARNES, A Edward Son Single M 20 1891 Miner Colliery Hewer St Helens Lanc VIEW
BARNES, Annie Daughter Single F 18 1893 St Helens Lanc VIEW
BARNES, James Son Single M 16 1895 Check Boy Above Ground Colliery St Helens Lanc VIEW
BARNES, William Son M 11 1900 School St Helens Lanc VIEW
BARNES, Mary Daughter F 9 1902 School St Helens Lanc VIEW
BARNES, Elizabeth Daughter F 7 1904 School St Helens Lanc VIEW
BARNES, Joseph Son M 5 1906 School St Helens Lanc VIEW
BARNES, John Son M 4 1907 St Helens Lanc VIEW
BARNES, Winifred Daughter F 2 1909 St Helens Lanc VIEW
BARNES, Helen Daughter F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 St Helens Lanc VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22808 Reference:
RG14PN22808 RG78PN1333 RD456 SD5 ED54 SN268

Registration District:
Prescot Sub District:
St Helens Enumeration District:
54 Parish:
St Helens

And similarly in 1891:
1891 England Census
Edward Barnes
Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Barnes
Gender: Male Where born: Tredegar, Wales
Civil parish: Parr Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: St Helens County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Piece: 3024 Folio: 134
Page Number: 40

Edward Barnes 24
Elizabeth Barnes 22 Wigan
Margaret A Barnes 3 Wigan
Edward Barnes 6/12 Wigan

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3024; Folio 134; Page 40; GSU roll: 6098134.

1891

Name: Edward Barnes
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Barnes
Gender: Male
Where born: Tredegar, Wales

Civil parish: Parr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: St Helens
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3024
Folio: 134
Page Number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Barnes 24
Elizabeth Barnes 22
Margaret A Barnes 3
Edward Barnes 6/12

This is a possible, but age out
1871 Wales Census
Edward Barnes
Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son Mother's name: Mary Barnes
Gender: Male Where born: Blaina, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil parish: Aberystruth Ecclesiastical parish: Blaina
Town: Blaina County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales Registration district: Bedwellty Sub-registration district: Aberystruth
ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 43
Piece: 5317 Folio: 49 Page Number: 9

Mary Barnes 31 widow Somersetshire Nunney
George Barnes 10 Monmouthshire
Edward Barnes 8
Albert Barnes 1
William Barnes 73 falaw carpenter Somersetshire Compton Dando
Stephen Batt 19
William Bendrey 20

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5317; Folio: 49; Page: 9; GSU roll: 848436.

Added:
NO, she appears to be married to Thomas in 1861

Flick , Margee and Patchem thank you for your help. Sorry for the delay.

Unfortunately it's baffling me now.

Yes I have his marriage cert 1888 and his father was Edward Barnes a Collier.

I had already thought it was the Monmouthshire one and ordered the birth, but that father was Thomas like you say.

Baffled, any ideas. Don't know if he was born Tredegar or Beggerton but can't find either listed.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

So, is this his marriage:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1888
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BARNES Edward FORSTER Elizabeth St. George,Wigan Wigan & Leigh

Hi Potty, yes thats the one.

Would you please be able to help me search for a birth record for Edward Barnes in Tredager Wales in 1866ish, I seem to be getting nowhere. Many thanks if you can. x

How about this one?
Civil Registration event: Birth

Name: BARNES, Edward James
Registration District: Bedwellty
County: Monmouthshire
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: 11A
Page No: 75

Hi Pam, thanks but thats the one I've got the cert for and it's the wrong father. x

who were the witnesses at the marriage? would their names help?

Hi Jansmith, the witnesses were Joseph Forster and Jane Wilding so doubt they would help, what do you think? x

gggrrrr I'm all searched out now, any suggestions how to go back further please x

any suggestions you lovely people, I seem to be stuck x