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Where Pierre Pastre was living?

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jean

jean Report 14 Jul 2011 12:03

I got a picture showing the place Pierre Pastre was living around 1910, just follow the link:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4315/logementpierrepastrelon.jpg

Pierre Pastre was living mostly in London during the years 1890 to 1939 and was cooker in some families and in the Junior United Service Club. I found im in Lyndhurst(New Forest) for the 1901 census, then at 6 Drayton Terrace, Kensington for the 1911 census.
I have 2 questions:
-I was not able to found "Drayton Terrace" in Kensington. I just found "Drayton Gardens Street". Someone knows what happen with this street?
-Do you recognise where is the house with the cross on the picture?

Thanks for your help.

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 14 Jul 2011 12:39

The name in the bottom left-hand corner could be 'Nesbitt'.
George Nesbitt, photographer, had a studio in Kensington at this time.

http://www.photohistory-sussex.co.uk/ChichesterPhotgrsNR.htm

Above the name maybe it's 'East Street'?

Keeley1973

Keeley1973 Report 14 Jul 2011 12:41

This article may help you. It talks a bit about Drayton Terrace (seems to refer to Old Brompton Road in relation to - see also below link - but not sure if they are now one and the same

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=50020

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Brompton_Road

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 14 Jul 2011 13:17

http://www.maps.thehunthouse.com/Streets/Old_to_New_London_Street_Name_Changes.htm

This site lists changes to street names in London

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 14 Jul 2011 13:20

while we're here - just for the record!!!

Pierre Pastre
England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)

parents: Etienne Pastre, Roze Pastre

record title: England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)
name: Pierre Pastre
event type: Baptism
christening date: 02 Dec 1714
christening place: Spitalfields, London
father's name: Etienne Pastre
mother's name: Roze Pastre
record set: RG4_4635


Pierre Pastre
England and Wales Census, 1911

birth: France
residence: 1911 —Kensington, S W, London, England
census: 1911 —Kensington, S W, London, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1911
name: Pierre Pastre
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 47
birthplace: France
record type: Household
registration district: Kensington
sub-district: Kensington South
parish: Kensington
county: London


Pierre Pastre
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth: 1864 —France
residence: 31 Mar 1901 —Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England
census: 31 Mar 1901 —Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1901
name: Pierre Pastre
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Male
age: 37
relationship to head of household: Chef
birthplace: France
record type: Household
registration district: New Forest
sub-district: Lyndhurst
ecclesiastical parish: St Michaels
civil parish: Lyndhurst
county:

Teresa

Teresa Report 14 Jul 2011 17:50

Could be him having a little trip abroad!!

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Pierre Pastre
Name: Pierre Pastre
Arrival Date: 23 Aug 1902
Birth Year: abt 1864
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: French
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Philadelphia

and returning soon after.

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about P Pastre
Name: P Pastre
Birth Date: abt 1864
Age: 39
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 9 May 1903
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Campania
Search Ship Database: View the 'Campania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Cunard Line
Official Number: 102086

says he ia a cook

Teresa

jean

jean Report 15 Jul 2011 17:32

Thanks a lot for all of you.
Some informations: Pierre Pastre was born 25/1/1864 in Alet-les-Bains in the south France and he died the same place 7/8/1940. He came there in holidays in summer 1939 and was not allowed to come back England because the war. So he died separate from his wife who was living in London. Sorry "Ann of Green Gables", it's not the same one who was born in 1714, but it's funny.

For the picture: I agree with "BeverleyW", it can be G.Nesbitt, but where. I had a look on "East street" on the list give by "Glitter Baby". After different research and the help of Google Street(a street turning left with a cimetery upper on the left), but nothing check. As "Keeley1973" said I had a look on Old Brompton road(a part was Drayton terrace in this time) but nothing too.

For Pierre Pastre: How "Teresa" found he did a travel to the USA in 1902-1903, I have some post cards as souvenir, and now I know the dates exactely.

He married(for the third time!) an other French resident Marie Catherine Henry in Fulham the 27/4/1829(index Fulham 1a 795). I am waiting a certificate from GRO. This woman was on the same house at the 1911 Census.
This one died between October and December 1964(index Kensington 5C 1096), but GRO tell me "There is no trace of the above mentioned person at the reference you quoted." I don't know what to do because the Index list is perfectely clear and clean.
Can you help me with this woman ?

Pierre Pastre had with his first wife, a daughter Jeanne born 26/2/1893 in London. I found nothing about her in the Index list, so I presume she was declare at the French consulat. Do you think it's something to found in the English Archive about her ? I don't know many things about the wife, her name was Elise Flue(not sure with the "F")

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 15 Jul 2011 18:56

??

Marie Cathr Louise Henry
England and Wales Census, 1861

birth: 1856 —France British Subject
residence: 1861 —Marylebone, Marylebone, London, Middlesex, England
census: 1861 —Marylebone, Marylebone, London, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1861
name: Marie Cathr Louise Henry
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Female
age: 5
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: France British Subject
record type: Household
registration district: Marylebone
sub-district: 2 Cavendish Square
ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
civil parish: Marylebone
county:

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 15 Jul 2011 18:58

Marie Katerine Louise Henry
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

birth: 24 Jun 1855
residence: 1855 —London, England
parents: Mitchell Henry, Margaret

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Marie Katerine Louise Henry
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 18 Oct 1855
baptism/christening place: ALL SOULS,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 24 Jun 1855
father's name: Mitchell Henry
mother's name: Margaret
indexing project (batch) number: C05391-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number:

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 15 Jul 2011 19:00

think this is the above one going by the father's name

Marie Mitchell-Henry
New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island), 1892-1924

residence: London, England
immigration: 19 Jul 1913

record title: New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island), 1892-1924
given name: Marie
surname: Mitchell-Henry
last place of residence: London, England
date of arrival: 19 Jul 1913
age at arrival: 26y
ethnicity: English
port of departure: Le Havre
port of arrival: New York
gender: Female
marital status: M
ship of travel: La Savoie

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 15 Jul 2011 20:16

Item reference J 77/943/8640
Divorce Court File: 8640. Appellant: Elisa Pastre. Respondent: Pierre Pastre. Type: Wife's petition

(found on National Archives website)

Chris :)

jean

jean Report 16 Jul 2011 00:01

for "Ann of Green Gables": Marie Catherine Henry was French and work in Kensington in 1901 and 1911 in different houses. She was born around 1878. You say your third Marie Henry can be the same as the second one. It's not possible because the second was born 1855 and the third was 26 years old in 1913.
for "Chris Ho :)": I knew they divorce, but I didn't know if it was in France or England. I ask National Archives for a copy. Thanks.
Can you tell me how it's possible to get index for a death, and GRO is not able to found the certificate ?(see my post from 15/7 17h32)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 16 Jul 2011 08:18

BMD Search result details
Civil Registration event: Death


Name: PASTRE, Marie C
Registration District: Kensington
County: London
Year of Registration: 1964
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death: 87
Volume No: 5C
Page No: 1096

(if you put exact above details on order form, then it seems odd!)

Chris :)

jean

jean Report 16 Jul 2011 11:04

Thanks "Chris Ho :)". It's exactelly the index I found in BMD and transfer to GRO. They answer:
"Dear Jean Ruffie
Death Certificate: Marie Henry 1964 Dec 5C 1096
We have been unable to process your application, please refer to the paragraph below.
There is no trace of the above mentioned person at the reference you quoted.
A full refund of £9.25 has been credited to your account via RBS Worldpay. "

I don't know what to do.

For the oicture, I found ,using Google Street, where it is: East street in Blandford with St Peter & St Paul Church on the left. Thanks "BeverleyW" for Nesbitt. He was working in the area around Bournemouth and Pierre Pastre has friends in this town and in Blandford. I found a web site http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/blandford.html
with post-cards about Blandford looking as mine.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 16 Jul 2011 11:18

Jean, the problem seems to be that you're trying to order the death certificate in her maiden name of Henry. As you can see, the death was registered in her married name of Pastre, which is the name you need to quote.

You can't have copied it exactly, you must have changed the Pastre to Henry!

jean

jean Report 16 Jul 2011 13:24

MarieCeleste
You are right, and I saw that two hours ago, so I did a new demand to GRO.
Thanks a lot