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jean
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14 Jul 2011 12:03 |
I got a picture showing the place Pierre Pastre was living around 1910, just follow the link:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4315/logementpierrepastrelon.jpg
Pierre Pastre was living mostly in London during the years 1890 to 1939 and was cooker in some families and in the Junior United Service Club. I found im in Lyndhurst(New Forest) for the 1901 census, then at 6 Drayton Terrace, Kensington for the 1911 census. I have 2 questions: -I was not able to found "Drayton Terrace" in Kensington. I just found "Drayton Gardens Street". Someone knows what happen with this street? -Do you recognise where is the house with the cross on the picture?
Thanks for your help.
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BeverleyW
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14 Jul 2011 12:39 |
The name in the bottom left-hand corner could be 'Nesbitt'. George Nesbitt, photographer, had a studio in Kensington at this time.
http://www.photohistory-sussex.co.uk/ChichesterPhotgrsNR.htm
Above the name maybe it's 'East Street'?
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Keeley1973
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14 Jul 2011 12:41 |
This article may help you. It talks a bit about Drayton Terrace (seems to refer to Old Brompton Road in relation to - see also below link - but not sure if they are now one and the same
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=50020
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Brompton_Road
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GlitterBaby
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14 Jul 2011 13:17 |
http://www.maps.thehunthouse.com/Streets/Old_to_New_London_Street_Name_Changes.htm
This site lists changes to street names in London
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AnnCardiff
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14 Jul 2011 13:20 |
while we're here - just for the record!!!
Pierre Pastre England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) parents: Etienne Pastre, Roze Pastre record title: England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) name: Pierre Pastre event type: Baptism christening date: 02 Dec 1714 christening place: Spitalfields, London father's name: Etienne Pastre mother's name: Roze Pastre record set: RG4_4635
Pierre Pastre England and Wales Census, 1911 birth: France residence: 1911 —Kensington, S W, London, England census: 1911 —Kensington, S W, London, England record title: England and Wales Census, 1911 name: Pierre Pastre event: Census event date: 1911 gender: Male age: 47 birthplace: France record type: Household registration district: Kensington sub-district: Kensington South parish: Kensington county: London
Pierre Pastre England and Wales Census, 1901 birth: 1864 —France residence: 31 Mar 1901 —Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England census: 31 Mar 1901 —Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England record title: England and Wales Census, 1901 name: Pierre Pastre event: Census event date: 31 Mar 1901 gender: Male age: 37 relationship to head of household: Chef birthplace: France record type: Household registration district: New Forest sub-district: Lyndhurst ecclesiastical parish: St Michaels civil parish: Lyndhurst county:
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Teresa
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14 Jul 2011 17:50 |
Could be him having a little trip abroad!!
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Pierre Pastre Name: Pierre Pastre Arrival Date: 23 Aug 1902 Birth Year: abt 1864 Age: 38 Gender: Male Ethnicity/Race- /Nationality: French Port of Departure: Southampton, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Philadelphia
and returning soon after.
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about P Pastre Name: P Pastre Birth Date: abt 1864 Age: 39 Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States Arrival Date: 9 May 1903 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ship Name: Campania Search Ship Database: View the 'Campania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Cunard Line Official Number: 102086
says he ia a cook
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jean
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15 Jul 2011 17:32 |
Thanks a lot for all of you. Some informations: Pierre Pastre was born 25/1/1864 in Alet-les-Bains in the south France and he died the same place 7/8/1940. He came there in holidays in summer 1939 and was not allowed to come back England because the war. So he died separate from his wife who was living in London. Sorry "Ann of Green Gables", it's not the same one who was born in 1714, but it's funny.
For the picture: I agree with "BeverleyW", it can be G.Nesbitt, but where. I had a look on "East street" on the list give by "Glitter Baby". After different research and the help of Google Street(a street turning left with a cimetery upper on the left), but nothing check. As "Keeley1973" said I had a look on Old Brompton road(a part was Drayton terrace in this time) but nothing too.
For Pierre Pastre: How "Teresa" found he did a travel to the USA in 1902-1903, I have some post cards as souvenir, and now I know the dates exactely.
He married(for the third time!) an other French resident Marie Catherine Henry in Fulham the 27/4/1829(index Fulham 1a 795). I am waiting a certificate from GRO. This woman was on the same house at the 1911 Census. This one died between October and December 1964(index Kensington 5C 1096), but GRO tell me "There is no trace of the above mentioned person at the reference you quoted." I don't know what to do because the Index list is perfectely clear and clean. Can you help me with this woman ?
Pierre Pastre had with his first wife, a daughter Jeanne born 26/2/1893 in London. I found nothing about her in the Index list, so I presume she was declare at the French consulat. Do you think it's something to found in the English Archive about her ? I don't know many things about the wife, her name was Elise Flue(not sure with the "F")
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AnnCardiff
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15 Jul 2011 18:56 |
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Marie Cathr Louise Henry England and Wales Census, 1861 birth: 1856 —France British Subject residence: 1861 —Marylebone, Marylebone, London, Middlesex, England census: 1861 —Marylebone, Marylebone, London, Middlesex, England record title: England and Wales Census, 1861 name: Marie Cathr Louise Henry event: Census event date: 1861 gender: Female age: 5 relationship to head of household: Daughter birthplace: France British Subject record type: Household registration district: Marylebone sub-district: 2 Cavendish Square ecclesiastical parish: All Souls civil parish: Marylebone county:
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AnnCardiff
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15 Jul 2011 18:58 |
Marie Katerine Louise Henry England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 24 Jun 1855 residence: 1855 —London, England parents: Mitchell Henry, Margaret record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 name: Marie Katerine Louise Henry gender: Female baptism/christening date: 18 Oct 1855 baptism/christening place: ALL SOULS,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND birth date: 24 Jun 1855 father's name: Mitchell Henry mother's name: Margaret indexing project (batch) number: C05391-1 system origin: England-ODM source film number:
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AnnCardiff
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15 Jul 2011 19:00 |
think this is the above one going by the father's name
Marie Mitchell-Henry New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island), 1892-1924 residence: London, England immigration: 19 Jul 1913 record title: New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island), 1892-1924 given name: Marie surname: Mitchell-Henry last place of residence: London, England date of arrival: 19 Jul 1913 age at arrival: 26y ethnicity: English port of departure: Le Havre port of arrival: New York gender: Female marital status: M ship of travel: La Savoie
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Chris Ho :)
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15 Jul 2011 20:16 |
Item reference J 77/943/8640 Divorce Court File: 8640. Appellant: Elisa Pastre. Respondent: Pierre Pastre. Type: Wife's petition
(found on National Archives website)
Chris :)
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jean
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16 Jul 2011 00:01 |
for "Ann of Green Gables": Marie Catherine Henry was French and work in Kensington in 1901 and 1911 in different houses. She was born around 1878. You say your third Marie Henry can be the same as the second one. It's not possible because the second was born 1855 and the third was 26 years old in 1913. for "Chris Ho :)": I knew they divorce, but I didn't know if it was in France or England. I ask National Archives for a copy. Thanks. Can you tell me how it's possible to get index for a death, and GRO is not able to found the certificate ?(see my post from 15/7 17h32)
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Chris Ho :)
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16 Jul 2011 08:18 |
BMD Search result details Civil Registration event: Death
Name: PASTRE, Marie C Registration District: Kensington County: London Year of Registration: 1964 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at death: 87 Volume No: 5C Page No: 1096 (if you put exact above details on order form, then it seems odd!)
Chris :)
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jean
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16 Jul 2011 11:04 |
Thanks "Chris Ho :)". It's exactelly the index I found in BMD and transfer to GRO. They answer: "Dear Jean Ruffie Death Certificate: Marie Henry 1964 Dec 5C 1096 We have been unable to process your application, please refer to the paragraph below. There is no trace of the above mentioned person at the reference you quoted. A full refund of £9.25 has been credited to your account via RBS Worldpay. "
I don't know what to do.
For the oicture, I found ,using Google Street, where it is: East street in Blandford with St Peter & St Paul Church on the left. Thanks "BeverleyW" for Nesbitt. He was working in the area around Bournemouth and Pierre Pastre has friends in this town and in Blandford. I found a web site http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/blandford.html with post-cards about Blandford looking as mine.
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MarieCeleste
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16 Jul 2011 11:18 |
Jean, the problem seems to be that you're trying to order the death certificate in her maiden name of Henry. As you can see, the death was registered in her married name of Pastre, which is the name you need to quote.
You can't have copied it exactly, you must have changed the Pastre to Henry!
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jean
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16 Jul 2011 13:24 |
MarieCeleste You are right, and I saw that two hours ago, so I did a new demand to GRO. Thanks a lot
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