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Keeley1973
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16 Jul 2011 12:34 |
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Okay, so can anyone offer any information or experience re a query with this person. I have from the 1911 census the following:
Address Ransommoor March
Parish March
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 5 Rooms
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN9270 RG78PN497 RD185 SD2 ED14 SN92
Administrative County Cambridgeshire
Registration District North Witchford
Registration Sub District March
Enumeration District 14
Householder 1
Name Joseph Duller
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married / 5 Years
Total Children Born Alive 3
Children Still Living 2
Children Who Have Died 1
Gender M
Age 23
Estimated Year of Birth 1888
Occupation Labourer
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Manea
Householder 2
Name Terriah Namona Duller
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Gender F
Age 29
Estimated Year of Birth 1882
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth March
Householder 3
Name Charles William Duller
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1910
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth March
Householder 4
Name Kate Duller
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1909
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Whitefen
Householder 5
Name Alice Duller
Relationship to Head of Household Visitor
Gender F
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1910
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Ransomoore
Now, I was trying to trace back to Alice Duller's parents. I know that the parents of Jospeh Duller were William Duller b. 1845 (Chatteris) and Mary Ann Duller b. 1851 and through various census I have traced (I think!) that they had a total of between 13 and 15 children including Joseph. So seeing that Alice was named as a visitor at this address, I assumed she was the child of a male sibling of Joseph (i.e that he was her uncle). However, on getting the birth cert for Alice, the 'parents' at this address are named as her own parents!! I am confused at to how this would be as they clearly have her as a visitor, in addition to which they say they have 2 living children (1 died which I have traced) and the 2 living children are already noted on this census. To top that, 1 of the children is the same age as her - hmmm. The only thought I had was that maybe she was "adopted" even though that did not legally exist at the time? and in that case, would it have been the adopted parents who usually registered the birth? is this normal? I note this was done about 5 weeks after the birth. I suppose I thought it would have been the birth mother.
By the way, for info - the mother of this household has been transposed completely incorrectly - it is actually "Harriet Naomi"
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Keeley
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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16 Jul 2011 12:45 |
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Well you have 6 weeks to register a birth so it was within the time frame. They do state 3 children born 1 died which would be the son listed . I would say it was probably a slip of the pen when the census was filled in putting her as visitor, Even if she was "adopted" they surely would have said she was a daughter. The fact you have her birth cert confirms she was their child,
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16 Jul 2011 12:46 |
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There's doesn't appear to be a birth for son Charles ( who was same age as Alice )??
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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16 Jul 2011 12:50 |
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he slipped up too with Charles age !!
Name: DULLER, Charles William
Registration District: North Witchford
County: Cambridgeshire
Year of Registration: 1906
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume No: Help 3B
Page No: 488
he died aged 1
Name: Charles William Duller
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1906
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1907
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: North Witchford
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 310
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16 Jul 2011 12:53 |
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Thanks Shirley ....
so they listed a child in 1911 who had already died in 1907???
just goes to show, never trust a census !
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Keeley1973
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16 Jul 2011 12:59 |
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But if they had 3 children born alive but only 2 still living - this would be Kate and Charles from the census. I assumed the child born and died aged 1 was the "3rd" child and that his newer brother was named after him (as I have found this happened quite a bit!). If Alice was another of their children, I would have thought it would have shown 4 in total, 3 living?! Can't remember if I saw a birth for the 2nd Charles, I will check ...
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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16 Jul 2011 12:59 |
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Probably read it as list all children born to the marriage and when the enumerator saw it he put a line through the entry. I think he put Charles aged aged 1 because he never got past that age .poor mite.
We had a very funny skit done at one of our Family History Soc meetings by two ladies who go around the Society's as guest speakers, Its was hilarious BUT did show the side of how not to believe all you read on census info .
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16 Jul 2011 13:01 |
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Marriages Dec 1905 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
...............CULLEDGE Harriet Naomi - N. Witchford 3b 1265
..............DULLER Joseph - N. Witchford 3b 1265
MANN John Richard N. Witchford 3b 1265
MOSS Amy Elizabeth N. Witchford 3b 1265
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Births Sep 1911
Duller Ada - Culledge - N. Witchford 3b 941
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Births Jun 1913 -
Duller John - Culledge - N.Witchford 3b 965
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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16 Jul 2011 13:01 |
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If you look at the actual census form Charles name has been struck through
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16 Jul 2011 13:04 |
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Did the family move to Peterbrough ?
if so maybe another child .....But not the Charles on 1911
Births Jun 1914
Duller Charles - Culledge - Peterbro 3b 427
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16 Jul 2011 13:07 |
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these are the only North Witchford births to 1911
Name: Charles William Duller
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1906
Registration district: North Witchford
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 488
Name: Kate Duller
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1908
Registration district: North Witchford
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 509
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Name: Alice Duller
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1910
Registration district: North Witchford
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 471
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Keeley1973
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16 Jul 2011 13:35 |
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Thanks everyone. I guess this now makes more sense. Bearing in mind this was I believe the first year that the householder filled in the forms, I think you are probably right that they included him by mistake (probably confused them that the question asked about living/dead children) - seems relevant they completed aged 1 and he died aged 1. This means Alice probably was their other "proper" child, though quite why she was noted as a visitor I have no idea (unless again they were confused and she wasn't at their property that night but visiting somebody else!)
You are also right, there were subsequent children after - Ada and John but no, the family did not go to Peterbourough, stayed in North Witchford/March.
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Keeley
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Chris Ho :)
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16 Jul 2011 14:03 |
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1911
DULLER, Joseph Head Married
5 years M 23 1888 Labourer Manea
DULLER, Terriah Namona Wife F 29 1882 March
DULLER, Charles William Son M 1 1910 March
DULLER, Kate Daughter F 2 1909 Whitefen
DULLER, Alice Visitor F 1 1910 Ransomoore
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9270 Reference:
RG14PN9270 RG78PN497 RD185 SD2 ED14 SN92
Registration District:
North Witchford Sub District:
March Enumeration District:
14 Parish:
March
Address:
Ransommoor March County:
Cambridgeshire
(hope you don't mind me re-posting, just a bit easier to read)
Baptisms below, if you haven't got them...
Chris :)
Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 21
Month: Oct
Year: 1906
Forenames: Charles William
Surname: Duller
Relationship: son of
Father forenames: Joseph
Fathers occupation: lab
Mother forenames: Harriet
Birth Day: 26
Birth Month: Sep
Birth Year: 1906
Abode: of Nene Parade March
Place: March, St Wendreda
County: Cambridgeshire
Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 13
Month: Sep
Year: 1908
Forenames: Kate
Surname: DULLER
Relationship: of
Father forenames: Joseph
Fathers occupation: lab
Mother forenames: Harriet
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode: of White Fen Benwick
Place: Benwick
County: Cambridgeshire,England
Day: 13
Month: Mar
Year: 1910
Forenames: Alice
Surname: Duller
Relationship: of
Father forenames: Joseph
Fathers occupation: lab
Mother forenames: Harriett
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode: of West Fen
Place: March, St Peter
County: Cambridgeshire
Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 20
Month: Aug
Year: 1911
Forenames: Ada
Surname: Duller
Relationship: of
Father forenames: Joseph
Fathers occupation: lab
Mother forenames: Harriett
Birth Day: 30
Birth Month: Jul
Birth Year:
Abode: of Bradney Farm West Fen March
Place: March, St Peter
County: Cambridgeshire
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Keeley1973
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16 Jul 2011 14:35 |
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Thanks Chris
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