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I an still searching for info on this side of my family I have just come across a marriage of James Dolye born 1862 to a Frances Wright born 1872 they married 1892 they had four children two girls and two boys also on the 1901 there appears a Johanna Doyle ages 13 on searching the 1891 census I have a James b 1862 widow living with in laws
Mary a Gormley wife widow living her mother a Ann Cass aged 81 widow so James was married before I cannot seem to find this
I am also still trying to locate his grandfather Patrick Doyle to no avail
so basically can anyone shed light on any of this I would be grateful
regards

Witchypoo

Can you supply which area?

Catherine

1901

DOYLE, James Head Married M 39 1862 Car Proprietor
Liverpool
Lancashire
DOYLE, Frances Wife Married F 29 1872
Liverpool
Lancashire
DOYLE, Johanna Daughter Single F 13 1888
Liverpool
Lancashire
DOYLE, Lilian Daughter Single F 7 1894
Liverpool
Lancashire
DOYLE, George Son Single M 1 1900
Liverpool
Lancashire

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
3466 Folio:
103 Page:
37

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
Kirkdale Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mary's

Civil Parish:
Kirkdale Municipal Borough:
Address:
16, Smith Street, Kirkdale County:
Lancashire

(not sure if this fits?)...

Chris :)

Just for background
1901 England Census
James Doyle
Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Frances Doyle
Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Kirkdale Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 209
Piece: 3466 Folio: 103 Page Number: 37
James Doyle 39 car proprietor stable??
Frances Doyle 29
Johanna Doyle 13
Lilian Doyle 7
George Doyle 1
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3466; Folio: 103; Page: 37.

You didn't mention where any of these events took place.

Is this James and Frances in 1911?


1911 census - household transcription
Person: DOYLE, Frances
Address: 31 Smith St Kirkdale Liverpool

DOYLE, James Head Married M 49 1862 Carriage Proprietor Lancs Liverpool VIEW
DOYLE, Frances Wife Married
19 years F 39 1872 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
DOYLE, Johanna Daughter Single F 24 1887 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
DOYLE, Lilian Daughter Single F 17 1894 Lancs Liverpool VIEW
DOYLE, George Son M 11 1900 School Lancs Liverpool VIEW
DOYLE, James Son M 9 1902 School Lancs Liverpool VIEW
DOYLE, Frances Daughter F 8 1903 School Lancs Liverpool VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22466 Reference:
RG14PN22466 RG78PN1323 RD455 SD6 ED23 SN65

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
Kirkdale Enumeration District:
23 Parish:
Kirkdale

Address:
31 Smith St Kirkdale Liverpool County:
Lancashire
(5 children born, 4 living 1 had died...........obviously Johanna is not the daughter of this marriage)

1891 (Reference)

GORMLEY, Mary A Wife Widow F 50 1841 Charwoman
Liverpool
Lancashire
GORMLEY, Annie Daughter Single F 26 1865 Soap Factory
Liverpool
Lancashire
GASS, Ann Mother Widow F 81 1810
Liverpool
Lancashire
DOYLE, James Son In Law Widower M 29 1862 Car Driver
Liverpool
Lancashire
DOYLE, Johanna Granddaughter F 3 1888 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire
GORMLEY, Charles Son Single M 20 1871 Marine Fireman
Liverpool
Lancashire

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2905 Folio:
30 Page:
26

Registration District:
Liverpool Sub District:
St Martin Enumeration District:
37 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Aidens

Civil Parish:
Liverpool Municipal Borough:
Liverpool Address:
1, Steel Street, Liverpool County:
Lancashire

Births Dec 1887
Doyle Johanna Liverpool 8b 43

Mistranscribed?
Marriages Sep 1887
DOYLE James Liverpool 8b 351
GORMAN Jane Liverpool 8b 351

??

Deaths Dec 1888 (>99%)
Doyle Jane 20 Liverpool 8b 11

are you sure of that 1892 marriage?

there does not seem to be a marriage to a Frances Wright in 1892 - only this one

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1892
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DOYLE James BOYD Frances E West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/139/51

also Gorman not Gormley in lancs bmd

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1887
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DOYLE James GORMAN Jane Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/195/156

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1861
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GASS Mary E GORMLY Charles Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/86/171

Mary Ellen from freebmd

Thank you all for kind help and guidence I really must be a little dumb sometimes I never seem to find out as much as you guy's.
My computer was playing silly begger's last nite so I will continue today once again thankyou
regards

witchypoo
;-)