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Yes I had seen that already thanks.
Just realised not replied to your other comments on Saul Marmaduke.
I agree it is confusing and I am just reviewing further as I think it is possible that Saul is not a son of Marmaduke Jnr above

did you find the headstone for Nancy Dolphin?

looking at the census records on that site for 1871 there seem to be a few Saul's Marmadukes's & Nancy's which makes it rather confusing sorting out who is who

Thanks for all the feed back and help.
I have not traced any siblings for Marmaduke Jnr so I suppose it is possible that John could be his brother as there is a connection with St Marys at Newchurch in Pendle as that is where Maramaduke Jnr married Ellen Frankland in 1823.
Whether Nelly Dolfin is a sibling I would not know. Its a case of trying to tie it in with the baptism of Marmaduke Jnr in the north east.

I am tying the north east in with lancashire through the birth place of Marmaduke jnr from the 1851 and 1861 census which states the birth place as Sunderland and Durham respectively.
I think Saul is one of Marmaduke Jnr sons but my dates are different and the info you have quoted is from the stone at Rowlands cemetery in Summerseat which is the link you gave and also where Marmaduke Jnr is buried with gravestone.
I must confess my tree is getting a little confused with all, the Lancashire/Yorkshire Dolphins.

Any further advice/help would be appreciated
Thanks

I assume you got the burial from this site

http://summerseat.ourwardfamily.com/rowlands_methodist_church/headstone_gallery_3.htm

how have you connected the Marmaduke in Lancs with the one in NE please?

Are these part of your family too?

In Affectionate Remembrance
Of
Saul Dolphin
Who Departed This Life On The 12th
Day Of January 1877 Aged 47 Years
Also Of Ann His Wife Who Died
November 12th 1894 Aged 63 Years
To Fall Asleep Is Not To Die,
To Dwell With Christ Is Better Life.
Also Of Nancy Daughter
Of Saul And Ann Dolphin Of
Brooksbottoms Who Departed
This Life On The 15th Day Of July
????? ?????

if you use lan-opc there are 5 children born to John & Mary of Roughlee

Baptisms: 8 Oct 1820 St Mary, Newchurch in Pendle, Lancashire, England
Marmaduke Dolphin - Son of John Dolphin & Mary
Abode: Roughlee
Occupation: Cordwainer
Baptised by: John Whitaker
Register: Baptisms 1814 - 1822, Page 86, Entry 681
Source: LDS Film 1278872

one thing that could be interesting ...... might John Dolphin be a brother of Marmaduke ?

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html

Name: Marmaduke Dolphin
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 1820
Baptism/Christening Place: NEWCHURCH-IN-PENDLE, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Dolphin
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C39742-6
System Origin: England-VR
Source Film Number: 1278872
Reference Number: - 2:2TS4VQT
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

it would look like John named his son for his father and note that this was in Lancashire as well


could this also be a sibling of Marmaduke Jr

Name: Nelly Dolfin
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 31 May 1789
Baptism/Christening Place: GRINTON,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Marmaduke Dolfin
Mother's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00742-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 897351
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Nelly is a variation of Eleanor

Hi Ann
Marmaduke who was born 1796 His father was Marmaduke

pound to a penny his father was Marmaduke too but I can't find his father or Eleanor's maiden name

Thanks Ann for all that which unfortunately I already have.
I am looking for information prior to his birth particularly about the parents of marmaduke junior ie Marmaduke and Eleanor ie 1796 and before

1881

Joseph DOLPHIN Head M Male 48 Pigslee, Lancashire, England Mule Spinner (C M)
Mary Ann DOLPHIN Wife M Female 43 Holcombe Bk, Lancashire, England House Wife
Marmaduke DOLPHIN Son U Male 20 Ramsbottom, Lancashire, England Wheelwright
Mary DOLPHIN Daughter U Female 19 Ramsbottom, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
Ellen DOLPHIN Daughter U Female 16 Ramsbottom, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
Thomas DOLPHIN Son U Male 13 Ramsbottom, Lancashire, England Labourer Print Works (Cott)
Ann DOLPHIN Daughter U Female 8 Ramsbottom, Lancashire, England Scholar
Forance DOLPHIN Grand Dg U Female 1 Ramsbottom, Lancashire, England
Margaret DOLPHIN Daughter In Law M Female 23 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver


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Source Information:
Dwelling Kenyon St
Census Place Walmersley Cum Shuttleworth, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341921
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3852 / 41
Page Number 19

1881

Nancy DOLPHIN Head M Female 46 Tottington, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
Marmaduke DOLPHIN Son U Male 21 Brooks Bottom, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver (C M)


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Source Information:
Dwelling 5 Hill Street
Census Place Walmersley Cum Shuttleworth, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341921
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3852 / 20
Page Number 9

MARMADUKE DOLPHIN Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 08 MAY 1796 Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England
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Parents:
Father: MARMADUKE DOLPHIN Family
Mother: ELEANOR
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Marmadupe Dolphin
England and Wales Census, 1911

birth: Summerseat, Lancashire
residence: 1911 —Ramsbottom, Summerseat Near Manchester, Lancashire, England
census: 1911 —Ramsbottom, Summerseat Near Manchester, Lancashire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1911
name: Marmadupe Dolphin
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 49
birthplace: Summerseat, Lancashire
record type: Household
registration district: Bury
sub-district: Ramsbottom
parish: Ramsbottom
county: Lancashire

Marmaduke Dolphin
England and Wales Census, 1891

birth: Summerseat, Lancashire
residence: 1891 —England
census: 1891 —England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1891
name: Marmaduke Dolphin
event: Census
event date: 1891
gender: Male
age: 31
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Summerseat, Lancashire
record type: Household
registration district: Bury
sub-district: Elton
ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
civil parish: Elton
county: Lancashire

???


Marmaduke Dolphin
England and Wales Census, 1851

birth: Sunderland, Lancashire
census: 1851 —England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1851
name: Marmaduke Dolphin
age: 54
gender: M
birthplace: Sunderland, Lancashire
relationship to head of household: Head
record type: Household

great name!!!

Marmaduke Dolphin
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham, England
parents: Marmaduke Dolphin, Eleanor Dolphin

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Marmaduke Dolphin
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 03 May 1796
baptism/christening place: Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham, England
father's name: Marmaduke Dolphin
mother's name: Eleanor Dolphin
indexing project (batch) number: I03305-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1514543

I am trying to find out further information regarding above who are my GGGG Grandparents who had a son Marmaduke born 1796 in Panns Bishopwearmouth now part of Sunderland. Marmaduke junior seemed to spend most of his life in Lancashire and died in Summerseat near Bury in 1866. He was buried in the Rowlands cemetery there.
It may well be that Marmaduke and Eleanor were only visiting the north east when their son was born
Any help appreciated please.

Derek