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Hi.....

Could anyone check the 1911 census for Thomas Newman born Shoreditch c1850? (

In 1901 census..he lived 34 Hampton Square: Mortlake: Widower age 51

There are possibly children still living with him in 1911 - hopefully my grandmother Eleanor - known as Nellie- who would be about 21.

Thanks for any help

Pauline

What was his profession?
Thanks

Where was Eleanor born?

1901 I presume this one

Name: Elenor Newman
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Newman
Gender: Female

Civil parish: Mortlake
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Richmond
Sub-registration district: Mortlake
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 189
Piece: 678
Folio: 123
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Newman 57 Shoreditch
Florence Newman 21
Ada Newman 19
Thomas Newman 14
Charles Newman 13
Elenor Newman 10

So that would make Thomas born about 1844.

Pauline has said he is 51 in 1901.

Shame it does not give aplace of birth for Eleanor

Thomas is a labourer

1911 ??

NEWMAN, Elizabeth Head Widow F 70 1841 London Whitechapel VIEW
NEWMAN, Nellie Granddaughter Single F 21 1890 Machinist London Islington VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
890 Reference:
RG14PN890 RG78PN31 RD10 SD5 ED19 SN34

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
Barnsbury Enumeration District:
19 Parish:
Islington

Address:
28 Stanmore St Islington London N



Possibly wrong given the age of Thomas

Births Dec 1889
Newman Eleanor Gertrude E Lambeth 1d 402
Births Jun 1890
Newman Eleanor Maria Islington 1b 292
Births Dec 1890
Newman Eleanor Chelsea 1a 357

Think this is the sister

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
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GREEN John Alfred Richmond S 2a 919
Newman Florence Mary Richmond, S. 2a 919
Pepper Alfred Felix Richmond, S. 2a 919
SMITH Ada Richmond,S. 2a 919



1911
PEPPER, Alfred Head Married
10 years M 33 1878 Bricklayer Surrey Mortlake VIEW
PEPPER, Florence Wife Married F 32 1879 Surrey Mortlake VIEW
PEPPER, Alfred Son M 8 1903 Surrey Mortlake VIEW
PEPPER, Dorothy Daughter F 4 1907 Surrey Mortlake VIEW
PEPPER, Rosina Daughter F 2 1909 Surrey Mortlake VIEW
PEPPER, Earnest Son M 1 1910 Surrey Mortlake VIEW
PEPPER, James Brother Single M 30 1881 Bricklayer Surrey Mortlake VIEW
NEWMAN, Thomas Brother In Law Single M 24 1887 Composition Ball Maker Islington VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3612 Reference:
RG14PN3612 RG78PN136 RD41 SD2 ED7 SN328

Registration District:
Richmond Sub District:
Mortlake Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Mortlake

Address:
9 Columbia Square Mortlake County:
Surrey

Here's the one born in Chelsea.........


1911 census - household transcription
Person: NEWMAN, Eleanor
Address: 9 Abbeville Road Clapham S W

WHELDON, William Dixon Head Married M 52 1859 Civil Servant Postmaster London Postal Service Scarborough Yorkshire VIEW
WHELDON, Charlotte Eleanor Wife Married
24 years F 52 1859 Seamer Yorkshire VIEW
WHELDON, Charlotte Mary Daughter Single F 23 1888 Instructress In Domestic Economy Clapham Surrey VIEW
WHELDON, Winifred Daughter Single F 22 1889 Teacher In Secondary School Clapham Surrey VIEW
WHELDON, George William Son Single M 17 1894 School Clapham Surrey VIEW
NEWMAN, Eleanor Servant Single F 20 1891 Cook Chelsea London VIEW
NEWMAN, Florence Servant Single F 19 1892 Housemaid Chelsea London VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
2276 Reference:
RG14PN2276 RG78PN77 RD26 SD4 ED26 SN156

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
Clapham Enumeration District:
26 Parish:
Wandsworth Borough

Address:
9 Abbeville Road Clapham S W County:
London

I think we can safely rule this one out!

1891 England Census
Thos Newman
Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jane Newman
Gender: Male Where born: Islington
Civil parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Davids Town: London City County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: Islington Sub-registration district: Islington South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 54 Piece: 161 Folio: 43 Page Number: 25

Thos Newman 50 g labourer
Frances Newman 11
Ada Newman 10
Jno Newman 7
Thomas Newman 4
Charles Newman 2
Nelly Newman 1
Jane Newman 69 wife u

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 161; Folio 43; Page 25; GSU roll: 6095271.

Hi

I know eleanor is 21 on 1911 census and she is a laundry assistant at treloar hospital in Alton: Hampshire.

She married my grandad in 1915>

It's really Thomas I've been stuck on for a number of years!! A Newman marrying a Newman - nightmare!

Just trying to find if he's still alive in 1911. He was born circa 1850 in Shoreditch. I know his father to be George:
When married to Jane his family show on 1881, 1891 & 1901 census.

Thanks again for all the help: This is first time I've used this on Genes site.

Kind regards Pauline

Does it say deceased for him on his daughter's wedding certificate?

(Pleased you found your way back to your thread Pauline.x)


Good thinking Patchem!

And if not, what was his occupation?

Echo Prickly Holly - Good thinking Patchem !

Did n't occur to me

I will have to obtain a copy of cert!

Thanks...gettin the hang of it now!! x