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Hello Volunteers,
Patritius Walsh married Anna Council in Launcestonin in 1834.
They had children Luke c1837, Judith c1838, Patrick c1840, Richard c1844 and Joseph c1845
Patrick married Margaret Healy. They moved to Sydney and raised a family.
I would like your help in finding Anna Council's parents, siblings etc.
I would also like to find Margaret Healy's parents, siblings etc.
I need registration details of the marriages so I can order certificates.
Can you tell me if any of them were from convict stock.
regards
Max

Hi Maxwell,

Just for placement for everyone, here is the marriage record of Patritius and Anna:

Name: Patritius Walsh
Spouse Name: Anna Council
Marriage Date: 27 Oct 1834
Marriage Place: Tasmania
Registration Place: Hobart, Tasmania
Registration Year: 1834
Registration Number: 2551

And all of the following births showing dob's so no need for circas now:

Name: Luke Walsh
Birth Date: 3 Mar 1837
Father's name: Patrick Walsh
Mother's name: Ann Counsel
Birth Place: Tasmania
Registration Year: 1846
Registration Place: Launceston, Tasmania
Registration Number: 1114

Name: Judith Walsh
Birth Date: 23 Nov 1838
Father's name: Patrick Walsh
Mother's name: Ann Counsal
Birth Place: Tasmania
Registration Year: 1838
Registration Place: Launceston, Tasmania
Registration Number: 18

Name: Patrick Walsh
Birth Date: Jul 1840
Father's name: Patrick Walsh
Mother's name: Ann Counsel
Birth Place: Tasmania
Registration Year: 1840
Registration Place: Launceston, Tasmania
Registration Number: 378

Name: John Walsh
Birth Date: 22 May 1842
Father's name: Patrick Walsh
Mother's name: Ann Counsel
Birth Place: Tasmania
Registration Year: 1842
Registration Place: Launceston, Tasmania
Registration Number: 961

Name: Richard Walsh
Birth Date: 5 Feb 1844
Father's name: Patrick Walsh
Mother's name: Ann Counsell
Birth Place: Tasmania
Registration Year: 1844
Registration Place: Launceston, Tasmania
Registration Number: 95

Name: Joseph Walsh
Birth Date: 2 Oct 1845
Father's name: Patrick Walsh
Mother's name: Ann Counsel
Birth Place: Tasmania
Registration Year: 1845
Registration Place: Launceston, Tasmania
Registration Number: 1011

Yes that is the famiy. Good work.
Thank you for the date of Patritius's marriage and registration number
Can you recommend a transcription agent for Tasmanian records.
Is it possible to find the parents of Patritius Walsh and Ann Counsel and Margaret Healy on line?
I note the spelling of Counsel changes with each birth registration and Anna becomes Ann and Patritius becomes Patrick

Hi Maxwell,

If your order the marraige certificate using the reference I gave you, that will tell you the names of Anna's parents..

Are you sure Margaret and Patrick married in NSW, I could only find the following record in South Australia:

Name: Margaret Healy
Father's name: Thomas Healy
Spouse Name: Patrick Walsh
Spouse's Father's Name: John Walsh
Marriage Date: 3 Apr 1877
Marriage Place: Kapunda
Registration Place: Kapunda, South Australia
Page Number: 13
Volume Number: 111

I think you have to get the certifcates directly from the Tasmanian BMD at this link: http://www.justice.tas.gov.au/bdm or you vould try here for more help: http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=8

And Luke Walsh's death (looks as though they have reversed the fornames)....

Name: Wm Luke Walsh
Death Place: Sidney, Victoria
Age: 66
Father's name: Walsh Pat
Mother's name: Annie Counsel
Registration Year: 1903
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 7546
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837

Possible also for Luke's marriage:

Name: Luke Walsh
Spouse Name: Mary Pendergast
Marriage Date: 12 Dec 1853
Marriage Place: Tasmania
Registration Place: Hobart, Tasmania
Registration Year: 1853
Registration Number: 834

Possible for son John

http://www.launceston.tas.gov.au/lcc/index.php?c=30#Search%20our%20burial%20records

Record Details
Given Names: JOHN
Surname: WALSH
Age: 80
Date of Death: Unknown
Date of Service: 21/7/1923
Area: Monumental Cemetery
Location: A
Number: 175.00

Possible connection to Anna

Given Names: ELLEN
Surname: COUNSEL
Age: 66
Date of Death: 11/12/1927
Date of Service: 10/12/1927
Area: Monumental Cemetery
Location: A3
Number: 269.00

Record Details
Given Names: MARY
Surname: COUNSEL
Age: 65
Date of Death: 16/8/1919
Date of Service: 17/8/1919
Area: Monumental Cemetery
Location: A3
Number: 436.00

Given Names: LAWRENCE W
Surname: COUNSEL
Age: 82
Date of Death: 7/9/1922
Date of Service: 9/9/1922
Area: Monumental Cemetery
Location: A
Number: 333.00

I wonder if there is any link here?

The Cornwall Chronicle (Launceston), Friday 9 July 1869
Walsh— On the 17th June, at Doveton-street, Ballarat, Victoria, the much-respected and deeply lamented Patricius William Walsh, Esq., son of Dr Lewis Walsh, Bachelor of Arts and Fellow of Trinity College, Dublin, and nephew to Lieutenant Patrick M'Dermot, R.N..

Surname: WELSH
Given Names: Patricius William
Event: D
Father: Luke
Mother: Julia UNKNOWN
Age: 66
Birth Place: DUBL
Year: 1869
Reg Number: 3350

He is buried at Ballarat Cemetery

WELSH PATRICIAS WILLIAM
Area : DN
Area DN
Section : 15
Section 15
Row :
Grave : 2

Note father's name given as Luke in death reg...plus the fact a notice was published in a Launceston newspaper...though he does seem to appear commonly as Welsh, not Walsh. But food for thought.

In 1868 he appears as a witness in a case, stating he is a land agent residing in Ballarat.

Launceston Examiner, Friday 24 June 1881
MR WILLIAM THOMAS BELL of Launceston in Tasmania auctioneer at his mart in Charles-street Launceston on Monday the twenty-fifth day of July one thousand eight hundred and eighty-one at twelve o'clock noon. And the land and hereditiments to be offered for sale are described in the said indenture as follows : All that piece or parcel of ground situate lying and being in the suburbs of Launceston aforesaid and bounded in the front by Melville-street 126 feet on one side by ground formerly belonging to Patricius William Walsh since sold to William Ware 335 feet on the other side by ground formerly belonging to the said Patricius William Walsh since sold to -- Callow 335 feet ...Dated this 22nd day of June, 1881.

Patricius William Welsh
Harbouring a convict on the 17th Oct 1829
Decided 31st Octr 1829
Van Diemen’s Land

To Wit

Be it remembered that on the twentieth day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and twenty nine at Launceston in the said island of Van Diemen’s Land cometh before me James Gordon Esquire one of His Majesty’s Justices of the peace for the said Island and its Dependencies Patricius William Welsh in his own proper person and giveth me the said Justice to understand and he informed that Thomas Foster of Launceston Brickmaker did on Saturday the seventeenth of October instant harbour suffer to be and remain in his dwelling house in Launceston aforesaid Thomas Mehan [Meehan?] a convict assigned to the service of Patrick Carlin the said convict being then an absenter from his said muster service whereby the said Thomas Foster hath become liable to forfeit and pay a fine of fifty Spanish dollars according to the form of the act of Council passed on the 19th January 1825 whereupon the said Patricius William Welsh prays that they said Thomas Foster may be summoned to answer to this information and make his defence thereto.

http://manuscript3251.wordpress.com/2009/10/24/ms-3251-1829-1833-box-2-vol-3/

Hello Cherilyn, I have read somewhere it was not unusal for ex convicts described as old lags to harbour escaped convicts and hide them from the police.
Thank you for your hard work. It makes interesting reading. I have no idea where Patrick Walsh and Margaret Healy married. I shall order the marriage certificate and cross my fingers.
regards
Max Bancroft

Well if it is this same fellow, he was the son of an Irish doctor, not a convict. He is certainly not in the VDL convict list, and nor his wife.

But the whole Walsh/Welsh thing - it might be a red herring anyway.

Are you ordering the Tassie marriage for Patritius & Anna or the SA one for Patrick & Margaret?

Perhaps try a Tassie lookup volunteer at www.raogk.org :-)

From http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=8

WALSH, JUDITH
Gender: Female
Birth 1838 - LAUNCESTON,Tasmania [c]
Marriage/Relationship: 1867 - LAUNCESTON,Tasmania ( THOMPSON, RICHARD )
Death:

Parents:
90732 COUNCIL ANNA
287763 WALSH PATRITIUS

Children:
329836 THOMPSON ARTHUR JOSEPH 1868
329835 THOMPSON FRANK JOHN 1869
329837 THOMPSON CLAUDE PATRICK 1871
329834 THOMPSON RICHARD GEORGE 1872
329840 THOMPSON VINCENT LAWRENCE 1872
329839 THOMPSON AUSTIN LUKE 1874
329838 THOMPSON ETHEL MARY 1876

Oh dear, poor Richard....eldest son Arthur died the same year he was born, and Vincent died in 1873. Add to that...

The Cornwall Chronicle (Launceston), Monday 1 April 1872, p.2
On Good Friday, Richard George, twin son of Richard and Judith Thompson, aged 3 weeks and 3 days.

Launceston Examiner, Saturday 15 April 1876
THOMPSON-On the 31st March, at her residence, Brisbane-street, the wife of Mr R. Thompson, of a daughter.

Launceston Examiner, Saturday 14 October 1876, p.2
THOMPSON-On the 13th October, at her residence, Brisbane and Charles streets, Judith Agnes, the dearly beloved wife of Mr. Richard Thompson, aged 37 years. R.I.P.

Launceston Examiner, Saturday 30 December 1876, p.2
THOMPSON - On the 29th December, Ethel Mary, infant and only daughter of Mr Richard Thompson, aged 9 months.

Launceston Examiner, Thursday 16 May 1878, p.2
THOMPSON —On the 15th May, at his father's residence, Brisbane and Charles-streets, Frank John, eldest son of Mr Richard Thompson, aged 8 years and 5 months

Hello Cherilyn,I have walked through the grave yard at Stanley which is not far from Launceston and seen the inscriptions of the children who died of small pox and bubonic plague. i am guessing this is what happened to the Thompson children. I must have been heart breaking. Many thanks for your good work.Ii shall order the marriage certificatesas soon as I can aford them.

According to several trees on Ancestry Ann's parents were:
Lawrence born 1770 Stormanstown Louth Ireland and
Mary Tierney born 1773 Tallanstown Louth
They were married in 1791
Ann's sibling were
Loughlin b1792 Louth d 30 Aug 1875
Mary b 1796 Louth d Louth
Bartholemew b1800 Louth d 1881
Richard b 1800 d 1 May 1886 South Melbourne
Peter b1806 Louth d10 Oct 1866 Bellingham Tasmania
Catherine b 1808 Louth
Judith b1812 Louth d 8 April 1897 Deloraine Tasmania
Lawrence b 1813 Stormanstown Louth d 18 Dec 1880 Tasmania