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Now now folks, let's not fight amongst ourselves. I thank you ALL very much and there is enough info for me to sort it out like a big boy. LOL.

If you look on the image of 1911 you will see that she is Sudbury not Gaffney.

but she's a Gaffney in the one I posted!!! :-)

Ellen is not a Gaffney:
Births Mar 1886
SUDBURY Ellen Basford 7b 167

William, I think after Thomas' death the children from before her marriage reverted to their original surnames - that was quite usual:

1901
SUDBURY, Thomas Head Married M 54 1847 Lace Maker Ilkeston Derbyshire
SUDBURY, Mary Wife Married F 51 1850 Ireland Sligo
SUDBURY, John Son Single M 28 1873 Coal Miner Hewer Ilkeston Derbyshire
SUDBURY, William Son Single M 25 1876 Coal Miner Hewer Ilkeston Derbyshire
SUDBURY, Thomas Son Single M 23 1878 Coal Miner Hewer Ilkeston Derbyshire
SUDBURY, Francis Son Single M 20 1881 Coal Miner Filler Belowground Ilkeston Derbyshire
SUDBURY, Ellen Daughter Single F 15 1886 Ilkeston Derbyshire
SUDBURY, Maria Daughter Single F 12 1889 Ilkeston Derbyshire

Registration District: Basford
Sub District: Ilkeston
Enumeration District: 18
Ecclesiastical Parish: Holy Trinity
Civil Parish: Ilkeston (Derby)

Address: 7, Tutin Street, Ilkeston (Derby) County: Nottinghamshire

Frances and Ellen are Gaffney's

Births Sep 1872
GAFFNEY John Basford 7b 121

Births Jun 1874
Gaffney William Basford 7b 154

Births Jun 1876
GAFFNEY Thomas Basford 7b 152

Wow, those crept in while I was answering Patchem's reply. Looks like Anne is on the ball as always, although I'm still trying to figure it out.
I'm not as quick as you folks, heaps of thanks anyway.

1901. William, Tom and john are all Sudburys here.

SUDBURY, Thomas Head Married M 54 1847 Lace Maker
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
SUDBURY, Mary Wife Married F 51 1850
Ireland Sligo VIEW
SUDBURY, John Son Single M 28 1873 Coal Miner Hewer
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
SUDBURY, William Son Single M 25 1876 Coal Miner Hewer
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
SUDBURY, Thomas Son Single M 23 1878 Coal Miner Hewer
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
SUDBURY, Francis Son Single M 20 1881 Coal Miner Filler Belowground
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
SUDBURY, Ellen Daughter Single F 15 1886
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
SUDBURY, Maria Daughter Single F 12 1889
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
RG number:
RG13 Piece:
3150 Folio:
98 Page:
41

Registration District:
Basford Sub District:
Ilkeston Enumeration District:
18 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Holy Trinity

Civil Parish:
Ilkeston (Derby) Municipal Borough:
Address:
7, Tutin Street, Ilkeston (Derby) County:
Nottinghamshire



1881 has a Mary Gaffrey (Gaffney?) as mother in law, perhaps Mary was unmarried when she had the first 3 children?

SUDBURY, Thomas Head Married M 31 1850 Lace Maker
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
SUDBURY, Mary Wife Married F 30 1851
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
SUDBURY, John Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
SUDBURY, William Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
SUDBURY, Thomas Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
SUDBURY, Alfred Son Single M 3 1878 Scholar
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
SUDBURY, Francis Son Single M 0 1881
Ilkeston
Derbyshire VIEW
GAFFREY, Mary Mother In Law Married F 56 1825
Ireland VIEW
RG number:
RG11 Piece:
3327 Folio:
45 Page:
12

Registration District:
Basford Sub District:
Ilkeston Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Ilkeston (Derby) Municipal Borough:
Address:
10, Truemans Court, Ilkeston (Derby) County:
Nottinghamshire

some of the Gaffney's originated in Ireland





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Margaret Gaffney
England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991

birth: 1817
burial: 26 Nov 1888 —Ilkeston, Derby
residence: Ilkeston

record title: England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
name: Margaret Gaffney
gender: Female
burial date: 26 Nov 1888
burial place: Ilkeston, Derby
age: 71
birth date: 1817
indexing project (batch) number: B03603-6
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1752213


William Gaffney
England and Wales Census, 1911

birth: Derby Shire Ilkeston, Derbyshire
residence: 1911 —Ilkeston, Ilkeston Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, England
census: 1911 —Ilkeston, Ilkeston Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1911
name: William Gaffney
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 37
birthplace: Derby Shire Ilkeston, Derbyshire
record type: Household
registration district: Basford
sub-district: Ilkeston
parish: Ilkeston
county: Nottinghamshire


Tom Gaffney
England and Wales Census, 1911

birth: Derby Shire Ilkeston, Derbyshire
residence: 1911 —Ilkeston, Ilkeston Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, England
census: 1911 —Ilkeston, Ilkeston Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1911
name: Tom Gaffney
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 35
birthplace: Derby Shire Ilkeston, Derbyshire
record type: Household
registration district: Basford
sub-district: Ilkeston
parish: Ilkeston
county: Nottinghamshire


Frances Gaffney
England and Wales Census, 1911

birth: Derby Shire Ilkeston, Derbyshire
residence: 1911 —Ilkeston, Ilkeston Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, England
census: 1911 —Ilkeston, Ilkeston Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1911
name: Frances Gaffney
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 28
birthplace: Derby Shire Ilkeston, Derbyshire
record type: Household
registration district: Basford
sub-district: Ilkeston
parish: Ilkeston
county: Nottinghamshire


Ellen Gaffney
England and Wales Census, 1911

birth: Derby Shire Ilkeston, Derbyshire
residence: 1911 —Ilkeston, Ilkeston Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, England
census: 1911 —Ilkeston, Ilkeston Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1911
name: Ellen Gaffney
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Female
age: 25
birthplace: Derby Shire Ilkeston, Derbyshire
record type: Household
registration district: Basford
sub-district: Ilkeston
parish: Ilkeston
county: Nottinghamshire

Perhaps she had children before she married Thomas?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1877
ALLCOCK James Basford 7b 293
>>Gaffney Mary Basford 7b 293
>>Sudbury Thomas Basford 7b 293
VARLEY Ellen Basford 7b 293

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%)
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Gaffney Mary Basford 7b 293
Sudbury Thomas Basford 7b 293


Looks like the older children were born before Mary married Thomas Sudbury

Andy

Edward Gaffeney
England and Wales Census, 1861

birth: 1814 —Ireland
residence: 1861 —Ilkeston, Nottinghamshire, England
census: 1861 —Ilkeston, Nottinghamshire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1861
name: Edward Gaffeney
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Male
age: 47
relationship to head of household: Lodger
birthplace: Ireland
record type: Household
registration district: Basford
sub-district: 2 Ilkestone
civil parish: Ilkeston
county: Nottinghamshire


Margaret Gaffeney
England and Wales Census, 1861

birth: 1826 —Ireland
residence: 1861 —Ilkeston, Nottinghamshire, England
census: 1861 —Ilkeston, Nottinghamshire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1861
name: Margaret Gaffeney
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Female
age: 35
relationship to head of household: Wife
birthplace: Ireland
record type: Household
registration district: Basford
sub-district: 2 Ilkestone
civil parish: Ilkeston
county: Nottinghamshire

Thanks Patchem, I already saw that. I've now looked at Household Record and what I thought was Ian is in fact given as Tom and that would correspond to her two sons, Wm & Thomas.
I still haven't a clue where 'Gaffney' crept in, as they were all Sudbury's in previous census's!

Mary Gaffeney
England and Wales Census, 1861

birth: 1851 —Ireland
residence: 1861 —Ilkeston, Nottinghamshire, England
census: 1861 —Ilkeston, Nottinghamshire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1861
name: Mary Gaffeney
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Female
age: 10
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: Ireland
record type: Household
registration district: Basford
sub-district: 2 Ilkestone
civil parish: Ilkeston
county: Nottinghamshire

It's "Mrs Sudbury" who completed the census. She has stated she'd given birth to 16 children, 6 of which lived.

William Gaffney
England and Wales Census, 1911

birth: Derby Shire Ilkeston, Derbyshire
residence: 1911 —Ilkeston, Ilkeston Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, England
census: 1911 —Ilkeston, Ilkeston Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1911
name: William Gaffney
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 37
birthplace: Derby Shire Ilkeston, Derbyshire
record type: Household
registration district: Basford
sub-district: Ilkeston
parish: Ilkeston
county: Nottinghamshire

For ref:
1911
SUDBURY, John Thomas Son Single M 34 1877 Coal Miner Loader Derbyshire Ilkeston
SUDBURY, Mary Head Widow F 62 1849 Irlend
GAFFNEY, William Son Single M 37 1874 Coal Labourer Derby Shire Ilkeston
GAFFNEY, Tom Son Single M 35 1876 Miner Loader Derby Shire Ilkeston
GAFFNEY, NO Sudbury Frances Son Single M 28 1883 Miner Loader Derby Shire Ilkeston
GAFFNEY, NO Sudbury Ellen Daughter Single F 25 1886 Lace Maid Traid Derby Shire Ilkeston

RG number: RG14 Piece: 20407 Reference: RG14PN20407 RG78PN1222 RD429 SD2 ED16 SN248

registration District: Basford Sub District: Ilkeston Enumeration District:
16 Parish: Ilkeston

Address: 7 Tutin Street Ilkeston Derbyshire County: Nottinghamshire

Also John Gaffney, 39, crossed out

Knowing there are some clever and knowledgeable folks on this side, I'm looking for the answer to a puzzle that's cropped up in my research.
I was tracing part of the Sudbury family of Ilkeston, Derbyshire, in particular Mary Sudbury b circa 1850/4 in Sligo Ireland. In tracing her to the 1911 census, her son John Thomas (34) is HEAD and they are living at 7 Tutin St, Ilkeston, she being classed 'widow'. Her son Francis 28 & daughter Ellen 25 are also at that address. Now comes the strange part. Also listed as 'son' are Wm Gaffney 35 & Ian Gaffney 28 also of Ilkeston. I've tried running back traces on their names but can't find anything that explains this census entry.
Going back through time she seems to have been married to her late husband, Thomas c 1846 of Ilkeston and wasn’t married to anyone else called Gaffney?
Any ideas where these Gaffney’s fit in, or it was a mistake by the census taker?
All advice gratefully received.