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Hi all, Another plea, we are off to Hampshire this weekend to try and find the elusive Stephen. Apart from Parish records can anyone suggest any other sources to look at? How far back do electoral roles go? Any suggestions would be gratefully received
thanks
Kay

Hi all, thanks for your thoughts on this so far. We are going to visit the Hampshire archive shortly so just thought I would push this post back up to the top of the list to see whether this generates any more ideas from you helpful lot to help find my great grandfather!

Gwyn,

The two witnesses were Edwin Gibbons (an uncle to Celia) and Winifred Mary Slade - sister to Celia (after she has married Joseph Edgar Slade). Unfortunately no clues to Stephen. The marriage was in Bicester (which is either in Bucks or Oxfordshire) and therefore it is possible that none of Stephens relatives would have attended the wedding from Hampshire.

Thanks

Kay

Marjorie,

Many thanks - we will look on the Kingsclere site and see if that gives any clues.

Thanks

Kay

When Stephen married Celia, who were the witnesses?

Gwyn

Kay

I have a lot of Webb'son my tree, as my Nan was a Webb, have you tried the Kingsclere site as many of the Webb's came from the Hampshire area

Here the site http://startx.co.uk/Kingsclere/index.html good luck


Marj

Lynski, Im not sure but this may be the same family as above, but earlier? I have not been able to find a record in 1871 that matches either particularly well, but in 1861 I can only find 1 suitable family:
WEBB, John Head Married M 50 1811 Agricultural Labourer
Eling
Hampshire VIEW
WEBB, Ann Wife Married F 44 1817
Dibden
Hampshire VIEW
WEBB, Hannah Daughter F 11 1850
Eling
Hampshire VIEW
WEBB, Stephen Son M 9 1852
Eling
Hampshire VIEW
WEBB, Matilda Daughter F 3 1858
Eling
Hampshire VIEW
What does anyone else think?

There is this one in 1861 who has a father, John????

WEBB, John Head Married M 50 1811 Agricultural Labourer
Eling Hampshire
WEBB, Ann Wife Married F 44 1817 Dibden Hampshire
WEBB, Hannah Daughter F 11 1850 Eling Hampshire
WEBB, Stephen Son M 9 1852 Eling Hampshire
WEBB, Matilda Daughter F 3 1858 Eling Hampshire

RG number: RG09 Piece: 672 Folio: 154 Page: 6
Registration District: New Forest Sub District: 3 Eling
Enumeration District: 9 Ecclesiastical Parish: St John Marchwood
Civil Parish: Eling Municipal Borough:
Address: Marchwood, Eling County: Hampshire

I feel bad as everyone is being so helpful, but we think we have found this one too.... In 1891:
WEBB, Stephen Head Married M 39 1852 Agricultural Labourer Carter
New Forest Hampshire
WEBB, Sarah Wife Married F 38 1853
Oldbury Hampshire
WEBB, Charles Son M 14 1877 Agriculture Cow Boy
Oldbury Hampshire
WEBB, Frances L Daughter F 12 1879
Oldbury
Hampshire VIEW
WEBB, Beatrice E Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar
Oldbury Hampshire
WEBB, James W Son M 7 1884 Scholar
Oldbury Hampshire
WEBB, Bertha M Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Oldbury Hampshire
WEBB, George Son M 4 1887
North Stoneham
Hampshire
WEBB, Edith Daughter F 2 1889
North Stoneham
Hampshire
WEBB, Bessie Daughter F 0 (11M) 1891
North Stoneham
Hampshire

then in 1901:
WEBB, Stephen Head Married M 47 1854 Farm Carter
Marchwood
Hampshire
WEBB, Sarah Wife Married F 45 1856
Owslebury
Hampshire
WEBB, Charles Son Single M 23 1878 Builder's Carter
Owslebury
Hampshire
WEBB, Beatrice Daughter Single F 19 1882 Laundress
Owslebury
Hampshire
WEBB, William Son Single M 19 1882 Milk Carrier
Owslebury
Hampshire
WEBB, George Son Single M 13 1888 Agricultural Labr
Stoneham
Hampshire
WEBB, Edith Daughter F 11 1890
Stoneham
Hampshire
WEBB, Bessie Daughter F 10 1891
Stoneham
Hampshire
WEBB, Arthur Son M 7 1894
Stoneham
Hampshire
WILTSHIRE, Fredk Boarder Single M 24 1877 Builders Labr
Romsey
Hampshire

In 1911 it appears Sarah has died in 1906 ( we think webb nee wilson), but we have found stephen living with 2 of his sons:

CARTER, Arthur Head Single M 32 1879 Carman Steam Motor Waggon Hants Havant
NOYCE, Beatrice Housekeeper Married F 30 1881 Domestic Hants Baybridge
WEBB, Stephen Boarder Widower M 58 1853 Horse Driver Corporation Plymouth
WEBB, George Boarder Single M 23 1888 Horse Driver Coal Merchant Hnats North Stoneham
WEBB, Arthur Boarder Single M 17 1894 Horse Driver Coal Merchant Hants Swaythling

As we have our Stephen in 1911 we don't think it can be him, although it does fit well with the death of Sarah in 1906 and him remarrying in 1908. ...... so frustrating isnt it!!!!!

This is the logic we have discounted him on, but if anyone can pick fault in it please feel free.

Thanks for the help so far

Kay

Wondering about this one ?


Household: 1881

Stephen WEBB Head M Male 26 Dibden, Hampshire, England Farm Carter
Sarah J. WEBB Wife M Female 23 Owslebury, Hampshire, England
Charles WEBB Son U Male 3 Owslebury, Hampshire, England
Frances L. WEBB Daur Female 2 Owslebury, Hampshire, England

Dwelling Whiteflood
Census Place Owslebury, Hampshire, England

In 1911 on the census he is a farm labourer. On his marriage cert in 1908 he is also a farm labourer as was his deceased father. At the time of his death in 1915 he was a brickworks labourer.
thanks

What was his occupation on his marriage cert, and what date was that please ?

Hi, Yes I found Charles in 1911 too and Celia has 3 other children living elsewhere from before this marriage! Its Stephens life before he married Celia I am trying to get my head around as I cant get any further back or make sense of the conflicting ages. My hunch is that he was older than her so perhaps pretended he wasn't as old as he really was? But I have no evidence of this and there is a 13 year age gap on their wedding cert.
thanks for your interest
Kay

a child?


Charles Henry Webb
England and Wales Census, 1911

birth: Oxford Ambrosden, Oxfordshire
residence: 1911 —Blackthorn, , Oxfordshire, England
census: 1911 —Blackthorn, , Oxfordshire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1911
name: Charles Henry Webb
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 1
birthplace: Oxford Ambrosden, Oxfordshire
record type: Household
registration district: Bicester
sub-district: Bicester
parish: Blackthorn
county: Oxfordshire

Stephen Webb
England and Wales Census, 1911

birth: Odium, Hampshire
residence: 1911 —Blackthorn, , Oxfordshire, England
census: 1911 —Blackthorn, , Oxfordshire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1911
name: Stephen Webb
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 46
birthplace: Odium, Hampshire
record type: Household
registration district: Bicester
sub-district: Bicester
parish: Blackthorn
county: Oxfordshire

Celia Patience Webb
England and Wales Census, 1911

birth: Bucks Marsh Gibbon, Buckinghamshire
residence: 1911 —Blackthorn, , Oxfordshire, England
census: 1911 —Blackthorn, , Oxfordshire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1911
name: Celia Patience Webb
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Female
age: 35
birthplace: Bucks Marsh Gibbon, Buckinghamshire
record type: Household
registration district: Bicester
sub-district: Bicester
parish: Blackthorn
county: Oxfordshire

I have not found him before 1911. At this point he is living with Celia Patience in Blackthorn, Bicester. I have not found him prior to this in any census and have tried to find his father John, but have no real evidence or links to go on to try to do this either. We have found some stephen webb's in prior census', but discounted them as we can find them in 1911. Thanks for your interest.

The only other piece of evidence of his existence I have is that his death was registered in Charndon, Bucks

Which is the first census you have found him on

Hi, I am trying unsuccessfully to find a birth or parents for Stephen Webb born in Odiham Hants. He has documents showing differing dates of birth- his marriage cert in 1908 shows he is 48 year old (1860), his death cert in 1915 shows he is 59 years old (1856) and in the 1911 census he is 46 year old (1865). In all instances of the above he is with his wife Celia Patience so we know that these records all relate to the correct person and she is the informant of his death. I have his marriage to Celia Patience Walker and then he fathers children with her. On his marriage cert his father is registered as John Webb deceased and Stephen is classed as a widow. I am looking for any clues as this has been a line we have been trying to work for 2 years now! Any previous marriage would also be of interest or previous children.
thanks so much.
Kay