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Many thanks.

actually the site address I posted but which disappeared (I did check it was there after I'd submitted the message!), is the following


www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records


the one that PH gave you leads to the screen before the one I always go to ........ it leads to basic search rather than directly to Advanced Search.



sylvia

Thanks I'll do that.

To avoid confusion, it might be in your best interest to start another thread regarding the Parker/Miller side of your family.
Please include dates and places of birth and exactly what information you are looking for. Good luck...........PH.


Marriages Dec 1923 (>99%)
Miller Samuel J Parker Lichfield 6b 969
Parker Mary A Miller Lichfield 6b 969

The site Sylvia is referring to is this one......

www.Familysearch.org

PH x

also try this site .... it's the site run by the Mormons, but this one of their sites allegedly has only records taken from actual parish reocrds.


You may well find it invaluable aas you get back beyond 1900.




sylvia

According to a tree on ancestry Thoma Elwell married Mary Harper in 1890. Wolverhampton, Staffordshire. BUT there is no documentary evidence as proof!

Thomas Elwell
1869 – 1949

Mary Harper
1870 – 1934




sylvia

Thank you. I'm a total novice in all this so any help is appreciated.

Susan


The easiest and fastest way to find out if anyone on GR has any of these names in their trees is to click on the Search Trees button, in the very dark green band above.


That will lead you directly to any trees which do contain these names, and then you can contact the tree owners.


The chance of anyone connected to your family just wandering by these boards is very slim



what you do get by posting on the Community Boards is the incalcubale help of the superb helpers on this site ......... members like yourself but with more experience and access to other sites.




You order birth etc certificates from the following site, and ONLY the following site! You will see sites such as GR, ancestyr etc offering "get certificates", but they charge much more!.


All certificates cost £9.25 each


You have to register with this site, but it is free.


www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/



You might also want to look at some of the following sites

www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

This carries records from July 1 1837 (when registration began), and sometimes has mother's maiden name before mid-1911


www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

This carries records taken from the parish records, and is part of the Online Parish Records (opc) organisation


www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/




sylvia

Hi, Sorry my dad was born in Walsall.
I've looked at my dad's Birth and Baptism certificate and it doesn't give a middle name for his father James however the home address in 1925 was 62 Oxford St, Pleck and James' profession was a Metal Turner. I know James and his mother and father are all buried at James Bridge Cemetary in Walsall. What confuses me is on the headstone it's got his name as James Thomas Elwell so can only assume this is correct until I find differently.

James' father on the headstone is down as Thomas Elwell when he lost his wife Mary but when he died it says John Thomas Elwell. I found the death record and he's recorded down as Thomas Elwell only.

This all makes it very difficult to know whether what I find is the correct record or not.

The reference Volume 6b Page 564 I found. Do you know how I go about getting a copy of the actual certificate and what do they charge as I believe it can be quite expensive? Is there cheaper ways?

My sister and I are planning to go to Walsall on the 4th October for the day to try and see if we can find any more information (however we are not looking for just the Elwells). We live in North Wales.

I can't see a birth entry for a James "Thomas" Elwall.

It does not give a middle initial on his marriage entry or his death entry.......

Marriages Dec 1917 (>99%)
Bassett Sarah E Elwell Walsall 6b 1351
Elwell James Bassett Walsall 6b 1351


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about James Elwell
Name: James Elwell
Birth Date: abt 1893
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1927
Age at Death: 34
Registration district: Walsall
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 564

There is not a death for a John Thomas Elwell in Walsall in 1949..........but there is for a Thomas Elwell......

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Thomas Elwell
Name: Thomas Elwell
Birth Date: abt 1869
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1949
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Walsall
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 515


Just need you to confirm if this is the correct family. :-)

1911 census - household transcription
Person: ELWELL, Lucy
Address: 37 Scarborough Road Pleck Walsall

ELWELL, Thomas Head Married M 42 1869 Shearer Cann Lane Nr Sedgley VIEW
ELWELL, Mary Wife Married
21 years F 41 1870 Housewife Ladymore Nr Bilston VIEW
ELWELL, Emily Daughter Single F 20 1891 Lady Clark Ladymore Nr Bilston VIEW
ELWELL, James Son Single M 18 1893 Marker Ladymore Nr Bilston VIEW
ELWELL, Dorcas Daughter F 14 1897 Assistant Pleck Walsall VIEW
ELWELL, Richard Son M 13 1898 School Pleck Walsall VIEW
ELWELL, Lucy Daughter F 12 1899 School Pleck Walsall VIEW
ELWELL, Thomas Son M 10 1901 School Pleck Walsall VIEW
ELWELL, Dorothy Daughter F 9 1902 School Pleck Walsall VIEW
ELWELL, Alice Daughter F 6 1905 School Pleck Walsall VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
17185 Reference:
RG14PN17185 RG78PN1057 RD370 SD3 ED28 SN166

Registration District:
Walsall Sub District:
Walsall Enumeration District:
28 Parish:
Walsall

Address:
37 Scarborough Road Pleck Walsall County:
Staffordshire
(10 children born, 8 living)


??
Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)
Elwell Thomas Wolverhampton 6b 761
Harper Mary Wolverhampton 6b 761

Is this the family?? You didn't say where any of the above people were born!

1901 England Census
about Thomas Elwell
Name: Thomas Elwell
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Elwell
Gender: Male
Where born: Ladymore, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Walsall
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 264
Piece: 2703
Folio: 90
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Elwell 31 (Iron Worker)
Mary Elwell 31
Emily M Elwell 10
James Elwell 8
Dorcas Elwell 4
Richard Elwell 3
Lucy J Elwell 2
John Thomas Elwell 7 Months


1891 England Census
about Thomas Elwell
Name: Thomas Elwell
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradley, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Walsall Borough
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2249
Folio: 14
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Emilie Stephens 45
Thomas Elwell 20 (Ironmongers Clerk)
William Tomlinson 33
Apey Conway 19
Laura Siney 21
Marcia Moore 19

Thanks I'll concentrate on the Elwells first then.

The information I have is as follows:

John Thomas Elwell married to Mary (who died 11/04/1934) in Walsall
John DOB approx 1869 and Died 15/07/1949
I would like to know the names of the other siblings to John if possible.

Son of the above
James Thomas Elwell married to Sarah Elizabeth Bassett (in 1917)
James DOB approx 1892 and Died 16/07/1927
I would like to know the names of the other siblings to James as I can remember my dad referring to an Uncle who wanted to adopt him because he himself only had daughters and wanted to leave his factory to them or something like that. This Uncle could have been Sarah's brother of course which I have her sisters and brother's names but I got the impression from my dad it was an Elwell.

My Dad Stephen Dennis Elwell DOB 27/12/1924 was married to Joan Miller (on 13/03/1948).

Thanks.

First advice then is post the info you want, the year and place etc

Keep it nice and succinct so it doesnt confuse things, one thing a time is good, we can move onto the other things later

Some of us have access to parish records so before you go spending at the GRO give us a go!

x

Hi Ginny
Thanks for the welcome.

Basically I'm trying to trace back the generations of my mum and dad's families. Finding births was easier for the 1900's because it gives mother's maiden name but for the 1800's I'm finding it very diifficult. I was hoping by giving the names that some one might have these in their trees and could pass on information to me. I think I'm at the stage whereby I maybe need copies of certificates to gather more information. However as a novice any advise is welcomed.

Hi Susan

What is it you would like help with?

If you need help you will have to be specific, include dates and places and also tell us what you have already found, ie BMDs/censuses

Forgot to say, welcome to the community boards

I've recently started to research my family tree.
Elwell/Bassett - My father was Stephen Dennis Elwell who married Joan Miller, his father was James Thomas Elwell who married Sarah Elizabeth Bassett (I have a copy of the 1911 census for when Sarah was still at home) and James' father was John Thomas Elwell who married Mary (maiden name unknown). My father had two sisters Doreen and Olive Dorothy.
Miller/Parker - My mother's father was Samuel Joseph Miller who married Mary Ann Rosina Parker. The other siblings are Elsie, Fred, Mary and Edwin.
If anyone has any information which could help me please could you get in touch as I would appreciate any assistance. It would also be nice to get in contact with any family members. :-)