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DottyAnn

DottyAnn Report 17 Sep 2011 10:56

My Great Grandmother's brother was Newman Seaton born 1834 Gawcott, Bucks. I have him on the 1841, 1851 censuses and in 1861 in West Bromwich, Staffs.
I cannot, however, find any trace of him after 1861 or his family. I cannot find a marriage for him, any birth registrations of his children or deaths for him and his wife.
With a name like Newman, I thought he would be easy to trace. Maybe someone else might think of something to help that I haven't thought of!
regards
Ann

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 17 Sep 2011 11:00

according to the census he was born in 1828
1861 census
Name: Newman Seaton
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Rowenna Seaton
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:King street

Occupation:railway Labourer

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 211
Piece: 2026
Folio: 42
Page Number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
Newman Seaton 33
Rowenna Seaton 23
Thomas Seaton 5
William Seaton 3
Charles Seaton 8 MO
Thomas Seaton 62



Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2026; Folio: 42; Page: 41; GSU roll: 542905

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 17 Sep 2011 11:01

age rounded down in 1841
Name: Newman Seaton
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Buckinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Buckingham
Hundred: Buckingham Borough
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Buckingham
Sub-registration district: Buckingham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 62
Book: 14
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Webb 10
Elizabeth Badrith 25
Newman Seaton 15



Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 62; Book: 14; Civil Parish: Buckingham; County: Buckinghamshire; Enumeration District: 6; Folio: ; Page: 2; Line: 24; GSU roll: 241221.

DottyAnn

DottyAnn Report 17 Sep 2011 11:04

Shirley
Sorry about that. Have just checked, he was baptised in 1827, don't know why I put 1834, senior moment, I guess!

Flick

Flick Report 17 Sep 2011 11:17

Speculating about the wife's identity..........

1841?

Name: Rowena Munton
[Rowena Manton]
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Gender: Female
Where born: Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Desborough
Hundred: Rothwell
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England


Registration district: Kettering
Sub-registration district: Rothwell
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 809
Book: 5
Folio: 15
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Munton 70
Charles Munton 35
Rowena Munton 35
Harriott Munton 15
Ann Munton 12
Elizabeth Munton 10
Rowena Munton 3
Charles Munton 1 MO

____________________________________________


1851

Name: Rowena Marton
[Rowena Manton]
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles Marton
Mother's Name: Rowena Marton
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Desbro, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Desborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England


Registration district: Kettering
Sub-registration district: Kettering
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Piece: 1744
Folio: 412
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Marton 46
Rowena Marton 46
John Guins 24
Ann Guins 22
Rowena Marton 12
Thomas Marton 7
____________________________________________

Marriage for the above............

William Bennett Oct-Nov-Dec 1855 Kettering Northamptonshire
Rowena Manton Oct-Nov-Dec 1855 Kettering Northamptonshire

Either it's completely the wrong woman.............or she dumped Mr Bennett, and moved in with Mr Seaton

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 17 Sep 2011 11:18

Maybe he went to Scotland or emigrated, cant see anything after 1861

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 17 Sep 2011 11:20

FMP is picking him up on the 1851

SODD, Thomas Head Married M 47 1804 Ag Labourer
Burton Coggles
Lincolnshire VIEW
SODD, Jane Wife Married F 46 1805 Ag Labourer's Wife
Grantham VIEW
SODD, Betsy Daughter Unmarried F 9 1842 Scholar
Burton Coggles VIEW
SODD, Fanny Daughter Unmarried F 4 1847 Scholar
Burton Coggles VIEW
SODD, Catherine Daughter Unmarried F 10 1841 Scholar
Burton Coggles VIEW
HARRIS, Benjamin Inmate Unmarried M 29 1822 Rail Labourer
Buckinghamshire VIEW
BARRET, James Inmate Unmarried M 19 1832 Rail Labourer
Buckinghamshire VIEW
LAFFERY, Thomas Inmate Unmarried M 22 1829 Rail Labourer
Buckinghamshire VIEW
STAG, Henry Inmate Unmarried M 29 1822 Rail Labourer
Barbridge
Wiltshire VIEW
SEATON, Newman Inmate Unmarried M 24 1827 Rail Labourer
Buckinghamshire VIEW
MENDHEAW, John Inmate Unmarried M 45 1806 Bricklayer On Railway
Norwich VIEW
MOORE, Joseph Inmate Unmarried M 37 1814 Ag Labourer
Burton Coggles
Lincolnshire VIEW

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RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2102 Folio:
135 Page:
33

Registration District:
Grantham Sub District:
Colsterworth Enumeration District:
14 & 15 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Burton Coggles Municipal Borough:
Address:
14, Cottage, Burton Coggles County

DottyAnn

DottyAnn Report 17 Sep 2011 11:22

Hi Shirley
You have the correct Newman in 1841 and 1861. Thomas age 62 in 1861 was his father who I think died that same year.Where did they all go after 1861? Oldest sister Elizabeth married in Australia in 1854 so emmigration is a possibility but I haven't found anything to substantiate that.
Ann

Flick

Flick Report 17 Sep 2011 11:26

For info only........children shown on 1861 all born Desborough

Flick

Flick Report 17 Sep 2011 11:30

1871

I think this may confirm my speculation

Name: William Bennett
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Desborough, Northamptonshire, England
Civil parish: Desborough
Town: Desborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Kettering
Sub-registration district: Rothwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 43
Piece: 1505
Folio: 68
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Manton 66
Rowena Manton 66
Thomas Bennett 14
William Bennett 13

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 17 Sep 2011 11:36

Cant see anymore Would suggest you check Scotlands People

DottyAnn

DottyAnn Report 17 Sep 2011 11:38

I found the 1851 details, looks as tho they were all in cottages, maybe some sort of settlement whilst building a railroad?
Could William Bennett maybe be a very bad mistranscription of Newman Seaton?? The marriage would fit in with age of Thomas Seaton,5 in 1861. Will have to check 1861 for a William Bennett with wife Rowena.
Ann

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 17 Sep 2011 11:40

No problem Betty. i know all about senior moments too lol


so heres Thomas still in the same area
SEATON, Thomas
Registration District: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume No: 6B
Page No: 339





GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 17 Sep 2011 11:43

1871 I keeplooking at this family
Name: Rowena Cross
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Cross
Gender: Female
Where born: Desborough, Northamptonshire, England
Civil parish: Desborough
Town: Desborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Kettering
Sub-registration district: Rothwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 67
Piece: 1505
Folio: 70
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
John Cross 32
Rowena Cross 32
Charles Bennett 10


Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
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BENNETT Rowena Kettering 3b 299
CROSS John Kettering 3b 299
HOBSON Mary Kettering 3b 299
Wade Joseph Kettering 3b 299

Flick

Flick Report 17 Sep 2011 11:44

Thomas Marlow Bennett

Christening: 15 SEP 1856 Desborough, Northampton, England

Father: William Bennett Family
Mother: Rowana


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Source Information:
Batch No.: I006384

Flick

Flick Report 17 Sep 2011 11:45

Nice one, GB...........

As I suggested earlier......Rowena clearly never married Seaton

DottyAnn

DottyAnn Report 17 Sep 2011 11:49

Thanks Flick and Shirley, you've given me something to think about

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 17 Sep 2011 11:59

It does look like they never married and the children werent his, They parted and maybe he emigrated too as theres no further record of him on the England/Wales records

Flick

Flick Report 17 Sep 2011 11:59

Name: Rowena Cross
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1909
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Kettering
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 106
__________________________________________________

1891

Name: Rowena Cross
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Northants, Desborough

Civil parish: Desborough
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles
Town: Desborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England


Registration district: Kettering
Sub-registration district: Rothwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1218
Folio: 31
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Rudolf J Hief 31
John Cross 52
Rowena Cross 52
Louisa E Bennet 5 ******************

DottyAnn

DottyAnn Report 17 Sep 2011 12:03

Just seen your last posts, fully agree, especially as the ages of the 'Seaton' children on the 1861 match the ages of the 3 Bennett boys in 1871. Wonder where Newman went, then?

Thank you all so much for finding the above, your experience clearly shows.
regards
Ann