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To all the kind people that replied to my original post after a day spent searching everything that I could think of plus the info given to me I am of the opinion that Shirley might have the key in that Letitia made up her father's occupation and possibly his name because she was illegitimate. I have researched every Letitia, Let and Lettice plus other variations in the spelling but cannot track her down, wonder what she was up to?

But just to say thank you to you all once again. regards Joan :-)

1881

Thomas HARRIES Head M Male 50 Clyda, Pembroke, Wales Cellarman
Anne HARRIES Wife M Female 30 Llanegwad, Carmarthen, Wales Cellarman Wife
John HARRIES Son U Male 12 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Charlotte H. HARRIES Daughter U Female 10 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Letitia HARRIES Daughter U Female 9 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
B.M. JENKINS Boarder U Female 16 Newport, Monmouth, England Dressmaker
Sophia M. HARRIES Daur To Head U Female 7 Carmarthen, Wales Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 122 Priory St
Census Place Carmarthen St Peter, Carmarthen, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342300
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5397 / 5
Page Number 4

1881

Thomas HARRIS Head M Male 51 Pembroke, Pembroke, Wales Butcher
Jane HARRIS Wife M Female 42 Ystradgynlais, Brecknock, Wales
William HARRIS Son U Male 15 Ystalyfera, Glamorgan, Wales
Annie HARRIS Dau U Female 20 Ystalyfera, Glamorgan, Wales
John HARRIS Son Male 13 Ystalyfera, Glamorgan, Wales Scholar
Lettice HARRIS Dau Female 8 Landore, Glamorgan, Wales Scholar
Sarah J. HARRIS Dau Female 6 Landore, Glamorgan, Wales Scholar
Mary H. HARRIS Dau Female 4 Landore, Glamorgan, Wales Scholar
Elizabeth HARRIS Dau Female 2 Landore, Glamorgan, Wales


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Source Information:
Dwelling Neath Road
Census Place Clase, Glamorgan, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342290
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5353 / 63
Page Number 84

1881

Thomas HARRIES Head W Male 41 Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales Stone Mason
Mary HARRIES Daur U Female 17 Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales House Keeper
David HARRIES Son Male 12 Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Elizabeth HARRIES Daur Female 10 Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales Scholar
Lettice HARRIES Daur Female 8 Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling Pantyfer
Census Place Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342299
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5394 / 4
Page Number 2

1881 - father not a surgeon though

Thomas HARRIES Head M Male 54 Walwyns Castle, Pembroke, Wales Harness Maker
Lettice HARRIES Daur Female 7 Dreen Hill, Pembroke, Wales


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Source Information:
Dwelling Milford Road
Census Place Haverfordwest St Thomas, Pembroke, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342305
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5418 / 60
Page Number 2

1901 census.
Letitia is a widow, all children born Laliston ( which is not far from Bridgend)

Name: Letitia Davies
Age in 1901: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Llandilly, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Civil parish: Laleston
Ecclesiastical parish: Newcastle
Town: Laleston
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Registration district: Bridgend
Sub-registration district: Bridgend
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 83
Piece: 5051
Folio: 10
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Letitia Davies 52
Thomas Davies 24
Eliza M Davies 17
Jenkin Davies 15
Matthew Davies 11
Edward Davies 9

Is this the Letitia who married William?
She seems older than other census suggests.........

Gwyn

if this is her its not much help ??
Name: DAVIES, Letitia
Registration District: Llandilofawr
County: Carmarthenshire
Year of Registration: 1917
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 45
Volume No: 11A
Page No: 1164

??

name: Thomas Harris
event: Census
event date: 1891
gender: Male
age: 39
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Steynton, Pembrokeshire
record type: Household
registration district: Pembroke
sub-district: Tenby
ecclesiastical parish: St Michaels
civil parish: St Michael Pembroke
county: Pembrokeshire

name: Thomas Harris
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Male
age: 10
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Steynton, Pembrokeshire
record type: Household
registration district: Haverfordwest
sub-district: 1 Milford
civil parish: Steynton
county: Pembrokeshire

Is this the birth you found, as looks likely
Births Jun 1873
Harries Lettice Carmarthen 11a 801
as birth should be under Carmarthen or Llandilofawr

it says Nolton, Pembs - the Nolton I know is in Bridgend [Coity]

name: Thomas Harris
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Male
age: 46
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Nolton, Pembrokeshire
record type: Household
registration district: Haverfordwest
sub-district: 1 Milford
civil parish: Steynton
county: Pembrokeshire

???

name: Thomas Harris
age: 23
gender: M
birthplace: Steynton, Pembrokeshire
relationship to head of household: Son
record type: Household

this looks the death of the 1911 one
Name: DAVIES, Letitia J
Registration District: Middlesbrough
County: Yorkshire
Year of Registration: 1928
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 56
Volume No: 9D
Page No: 684

1911
DAVIES, William Head Married M 44 1867 Assurance Collector Carmarthenshire Llanfihangel Aberbythich
DAVIES, Letitia Wife Married 18 years F 38 1873 Carmarthenshire Llandilo
DAVIES, Sarah T J Daughter F 14 1897 Carmarthenshire Llandilo
DAVIES, William A Son Single M 17 1894 Assistant Collier Miner Hewer Carmarthenshire Llandilo
DAVIES, David J Son M 12 1899 School Carmarthenshire Llandilo

RG number: RG14 Piece: 32980 Reference: RG14PN32980 RG78PN1891 RD598 SD6 ED7 SN29

Registration District: Llandilofawr Sub District: Llandybie Enumeration District: 7 Parish: Llandybie

Address: Sunny Hill Llandebie Carm County: Carmarthenshire

is this her?
DAVIES, Letitia Jane Wife Married
18 years F 39 1872 Blainrhondaa Glam VIEW
DAVIES, William Son Single M 17 1894 Divers Assistant Abergwynzi Glam VIEW
DAVIES, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 15 1896 Typist Aberavon Glam VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
29249 Reference:
RG14PN29249 RG78PN1695 RD535 SD2 ED11 SN185

Registration District:
Middlesbrough Sub District:
Middlesbrough East Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Middlesbrough

Address:
98 Dunning Road Middlesbrough County:
Yorkshire (North riding

Do you know when she died, as that might help with age?

Did she give her father as deceased on the marriage cert, or she may have been under age but said 21 so as not to need parental consent for the marriage. Do the witnesses give any clue

It certainly points to her being illegitimate and making up a fathers name for her marriage. I would have thought having father as a surgeon she would have been educated .
have you located her on the 1911 census

Hi, can anyone please advise me, I am trying to establish just where my gt grandmother was born and who her parents were. What I know is that her maiden name was according to her marriage certificate Letitia Harris and her father was said to be a Thomas Harris a surgeon. Letitia obviously could not write her name as she just signed with a X, if her father was a surgeon would she not have been educated? anyway there is no mention on the certificate of where she was born only that she married in Glamorgan at the Nolton Chapel in the parish of Coyty and her residence was Old Castle, Bridgend, and that she was of full age. She married a William Davies who came from Pembrokeshire.

According to the census returns after she was marriage she states that she was born 1871 in Staynton (Steynton) Pembrokeshire in 1881 it is Landlay, Pembs.in 1891 Landoy, Pembs. and in 1901 Llandilly, Pembs. Not very helpful. I have only been able to find one Letitia or Lettice Harries born in Pembrokeshire but with the surname Harries and a father called Thomas and that was in Llandeloy Pembrokeshire, but there is a doubt, on her marriage she would not have been of full age in fact a year or two too young, obviously I cannot get her birth certificate until I know where she was born can anyone see a way out on this puzzle, I hope so, regards Joan D'Arcy :-)