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I'm always wary of actual ages because there are various reasons to lie so i agree there. Neither could I find a re-marriage.
The birth in 1895 is definitely Harriet.
As far as Josef goes it looks like they were divorced/seperated/estranged or whatever as the death in 1969 looks like Josef living in London. Harriet Hancock signing her daughters wedding cert in 1943 means that whatever happened between them did so before 1943.
James

no problem, James, you're one of three people who have been making me personally crazy with private messages this evening alone :-)

we keep hoping this site will give clearer and more obvious instructions but it never happens !

we entirely understand that when people send private messages it is out of an excess of good manners :-)

Thanks all for your hard work it has been a massive help.
Apologies if you received private replies but it was because I never saw the link at the bottom, was too overwhelmed by the response and never went to the bottom of the page. I tried to go down the messages and reply to each one in turn , I assumed the 'send message' was the link to reply.
James

I didn't find a remarriage for Harriet ... but her death could have been recorded under her 'known as' name ... possibly she and Josef were long estranged before his death for example and she had a new partner


aged 22 for Harriet in late 1918 would not quite match with this birth

Births Mar 1895 ( possibly born late 1894 )
Hutchings Harriet Amelia Tiverton 5b 423

( she would have been 23 )

but it is the only one available really and she might have fudged her age slightly so as not to be older than her groom, it happened :-)

Sorry about slow response again.
As regards the deaths I new nothing at all. The family had no contact with Harriet and Joseph since about 1960. The 2 entries you have found look very promising. I think Joseph must have died and Harriet re-married a Hancock. I'll check BMD. I think thats whats happened. Just checked on the marriage certificate of her daughter and one of the witnesses was a Harriet Hancock. That must be her mum.
Harriet was also aged 22 when she married in 1918.
At the moment I have no idea about the nationality of Josef .
James

yes, deaths, I just didn't go for the details since they were just pure spec

you don't have any ideas about the deaths of Josef and Harriet then ?

what about Harriet's details from the marriage certificate, age and father's name ...

we're kind and also just nosey :-)

To all
Thanks for your help its really grea. I have rejoined GR tonight and finding it hard to take in everyones kindest. On top of that I'm in need of a few lessons in using GR as its changed a bit.

Chrissie , what are the 2 entries for Joseph Hancock, are they deaths ?

I missed Ginny's report of the message she received !

Josef was 22 when he married in 1918 so born abt 1895 or 1896

and Harriet ? and her father's name ? it would be nice to have her details in order to find her death if you don't know of it to see whether it can be matched with a death for Joseph

James this time I'll copy your message here because I am not going to do this by private message :-)


Hi again, please excuse the slow response . I,ve only just rejoined GR (tonight) and finding it difficult till I get used to it. Also never expected so much help. I just read the death entry for Joseph Heide and I think it sounds very promising so thanks very much for that its appreciated.
Speak soon, James


... and that leaves us wondering about Harriet's death ?

hi James, thanks for the message, remember that it is so much easier for everyone if you answer in the thread, the 'add reply' box down at the bottom

you might not want to put all that info here so I will just say that you are thinking now of tracing the family of the other child of Josef and Harriet possibly in Devon

can you tell us anything about their deaths ?

Thanks for the PM but its best to post on here

Help
Josef was 22 when he married and a general labourer. His father was an engineer.
James

I tell a lie

Austria, Hungary, Germany and Japan :-S

the only Heido I can find is French [and two in USA]

Marie Heido Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 06 APR 1843

Christening: 09 APR 1843 Saints-Jacques-Et-Christophe De La Villette, Paris, Seine, France
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Parents:
Father: Pierre Heido Family
Mother: Catherine Perin

I don't see a birth or marriage to account for this person

Name: Harriet Amelia Hancock
Birth Date: 4 Dec 1894
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1982
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: Mid Devon
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 21
Page: 2266


if Harriet Amelia Hutchings birth registered first quarter 1895 is the right Harriet Hutchings that death would match her perfectly


Joseph Hancock abt 1897 Jul-Aug-Sep 1959 Exeter Devon
Joseph Hancock abt 1891 Jan-Feb-Mar 1949 Barnstaple Devon

?

I wondered about the name Heido ... it is really quite odd and found mainly in US census ...

was it really Heide ?

Marriages Sep 1918
Heido Josef Hutchings Tiverton 5b 915
HUTCHINGS Harriet -Heide- Tiverton 5b 915

( this is why the marriage can't be found searching for Hutchings marrying Heido ... )

Births Mar 1895 for info
Hutchings Harriet Amelia Tiverton 5b 423


do you know when / where Josef and Harriet died ? ( please remember that giving all the info you have is important )

is this possible ?

Name: Joseph Heide
Birth Date: 9 Jan 1894
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1969
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Bromley
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5a
Page: 1215

i have a German grandfather and was told at Kew that no shipping manifests were retained for cross channel journeys as passengers would have travelled a foot passengers

did the family change their name, or emigrate ?

I looked for a death record for Josef to see what date of birth it gave but there is only one death for the name

Helen Khoshaba Y Heido 1923 Apr 1993 Ealing London


these would be their children

Katharine M Heido Jul-Aug-Sep 1918 Tiverton Devon/Cornwall/Seilly ( Ancestry says mother Hatchings )
Greta A Heido Jul-Aug-Sep 1919 Tiverton Devon/Cornwall/Seilly ( mother Hutchings )

... both married as Heido

Katherine M Heido / Ford Oct-Nov-Dec 1937 Taunton Somerset
Greta A Heido / Arthur Jul-Aug-Sep 1943 Tiverton Devon

and their children's births show as mother Heido


I don't think Devon records office would hold any other information about him unfortunately


records at familysearch show Heido-s born in Prussia, Austria

his arrival in England could have had to do with WWI, as a refugee possibly

not your relly but the surname origination may help
HEITMULLER, Henry Head M 31 1840 Germany VIEW
HEITMULLER, Minna Wife F 27 1844 Hildesheim VIEW
HEIDO, Ellen Visitor F 22 1849 Hildesheim VIEW >>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Piece: Folio31 Page:
18 Registration District:
Westminster

Civil Parish:
St Anne Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
Crown St, St Anne, Westminster County:
London, Middlesex


Hildesheim is a city in Lower Saxony, Germany. It is located in the district of Hildesheim, about 30 km southeast of Hanover on the banks of the Innerste river, which is a small tributary of the Leine river

How old was he when he married?

I'm trying to trace the ancestry of a friend but I've hit the brick wall. Her grandfather was Josef Heido and he married Harriet Hutchings on July 13th 1918 in Bampton, Devon. His father on the marriage cert was Stephen Heido. There is no sign of Josef or his father on any census or BMD. I've tried the Hungarian and Polish Embassies who both say he does not appear on there records. Furthermore he does not appear on the German war records. When they married Josef was resident at 54 Brook Street, Bampton. Is anyone familiar with what records are available at Devon that may help. There must be some documents somewhere for him entering the country as I'm certain he cant be English.