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Thanks - that does look about right as I think it was said he died fairly young but it was hard to judge HOW young.

I'll add it to the list of certs I need to get.

Thanks again.

Only way to be sure this is him is to get copy of certificate:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005

Name: Frederick Clayton
Birth Date: abt 1888
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1935
Age at Death: 47
Registration district: Stoke On Trent
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 324

(This is from Ancestry, but it is also on FreeBMD)

Can anybody help me find Frederick's death record please?

I hadn't ruled anything out - I'd drawn a blank entirely and needed fresh eyes. I do use BMD which is how I got the marriage details and cert (before I lost it). Thanks for your help, I think I have a lot more to go on now!

I'm not sure whether that Stone birth is his, was just asking if you'd ruled it out.

Where are you searching for records? If not already, try FreeBMD: http://www.freebmd.org.uk

EDIT: Just spotted Patchem's post re: Trentham.

The 1891 census has Frederick born in Trentham, which comes under Stone.

Trentham to Longton is a mile or less.

His father's death?

Deaths Mar 1899
Clayton Arthur 46 Stoke T. 6b 179

His mother's remarriage?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1900
Clayton Mary Ann Stoke T. 6b 304
Kirkland Joseph Stoke T. 6b 304

As I see it, parents were Mary and Arthur Clayton, and then Mary married Joseph Kirkland?

Sorry, I meant to say I did have the marriage cert but it got lost in a house move along with a bunch of other papers - quite annoying.

So I'm confused, are there two possible families up there?

Tea-leaves, had you ruled this one out?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1888
CLAYTON Frederick Stone 6b 50

Births Mar 1888
CLAYTON Frederick Stone 6b 50

1891 England Census
Frederick Clayton
Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Son Father's Name: Arthur Clayton
Mother's Name: Mary A Clayton
Gender: Male Where born: Trentham, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Trentham Ecclesiastical parish: Dresden
Town: Longton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England
Registration district: Stone Sub-registration district: Trentham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Piece: 2146 Folio: 75 Page Number: 34
Arthur Clayton 38
Mary A Clayton 28
Minnie Swetmore 9
William Clayton 7
Henry Clayton 5
Frederick Clayton 3
Arthur Clayton 1/12
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2146; Folio 75; Page 34; GSU roll: 6097256.

7 chidren born after 1911:

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
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CLAYTON Lily Riddle Stock T. 5b 547
Clayton Lily Riddle Stoke T. 6b 547


Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Clayton Laura Riddle Stoke T. 6b 564

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Births Jun 1920 (>99%)
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Clayton Frederick C Riddle Stoke T. 6b 611

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Births Jun 1922 (>99%)
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Clayton Raymond Riddle Stoke T. 6b 503

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Births Jun 1924 (>99%)
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Clayton Audrey Riddle Stoke T 6b 471

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Births Mar 1928 (>99%)
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Clayton Cynthia J Riddle Stoke T. 6b 332

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Births Mar 1931 (>99%)
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Clayton Gordon Riddle Stoke T. 6b 505


I notice a gap between 1914-1920. Do you suppose father was in WW1?

Fred in 1901?:
Frederick Clayton
Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Stepson Mother's Name: Mary A Kirkland
Gender: Male Where born: Longton, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Longton Ecclesiastical parish: Dresden The Resurrection County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England
Registration district: Stoke upon Trent Sub-registration district: Longton
ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Household schedule number: 256 Piece: 2618 Folio: 94 Page Number: 45
Joseph Kirkland 36
Mary A Kirkland 37
William Clayton 17
Henry Clayton 15
Frederick Clayton 13
Arthur Clayton 10
Florice Clayton 6
Ethel Kirkland 12
George Kirkland 9
May Kirkland 7
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2618; Folio: 94; Page: 45.

Presumably this is the 1911:
RIDDLE, Louisa Head Widow F 62 1849 Longton Staffs
CLAYTON, Esther Mary Daughter Married 2 years F 22 1889 Potters Handler Longton Staffs
CLAYTON, Frederick Son On Law Married M 23 1888 Potters Turner Longton Staffs
RIDDLE, William Son Married M 26 1885 Potters Saucermaker Longton Staffs
CLAYTON, Florence Louisa Granddaughter F 1 1910 Longton Staffs

RG number: RG14 Piece: 16605 Reference: RG14PN16605 RG78PN1025 RD361 SD4 ED18 SN330
Registration District: Stoke upon Trent Sub District: Longton Enumeration District: 18 Parish: Longton
Address: 17 Reservoir Road Longton Stoke -On - Trent County: Staffordshire

Do you have Fred & Esther's marriage certificate to get father's name?

Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)
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CLAYTON Frederick Stoke T. 6b 461
RIDDLE Esther Stoke T 6b 461

What was the name of his Father from the marriage certificate?
Thank-you