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Hi all
Trying to track down a man named charles william bond who was born in ireland in 1861 and he married a ellen wilson nee o'sullivan in 1886 in india . He was a lift engineer, and they eventually returned to london and lived in the wandsworth area. I have found ellen bond on the 1911 census living with two of her children but no sign of charles william and it doesnt say she was a widow. Just wondering if anyone can spot a death or a possible in the 1911 census at aLL???
HOPEFULLY
SHIRLEY

parents: Jonathon Bond
spouse: Ellen Wilson


groom's name: Charles William Bond
bride's name: Ellen Wilson
marriage date: 17 Nov 1884
marriage place: Calcutta, Bengal, India
groom's father's name: Jonathon Bond
bride's father's name: Michael O'Sullivan
groom's marital status: Single
bride's marital status: Widowed
indexing project (batch) number: M75029-5
system origin: India-EASy
source film number: 510874

??1911. I know it says he is single, but otherwise quite a resemblance:


FLEET, John Head Married M 40 1871 Provision Dealer Sheerness Kent VIEW
FLEET, Emily Wife Married
1 years F 24 1887 Assistant In Business London Walworth VIEW
BOND, Charles William Boarder Single M 50 1861 Electrical Engineer Drogheda Dublin VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1854 Reference:
RG14PN1854 RG78PN65 RD23 SD5 ED36 SN69

Registration District:
Southwark Sub District:
Newington South Enumeration District:
36 Parish:
St Mary Newington

Address:
10 Drapers St Newington S E County:
London

Can find them in 1901 together . Looks like a match for the 1911

BOND, Charles W Head Married M 43 1858 Foreman (Electrical Enginr)
Ireland VIEW
BOND, Ellen Wife Married F 43 1858
India VIEW
BOND, Kathleen Daughter Single F 23 1878
India VIEW
BOND, William Son Single M 21 1880
India VIEW
BOND, Charles Son Single M 14 1887
Camberwell
London VIEW
BOND, John Son Single M 11 1890
Camberwell
London VIEW
BOND, Mabel Daughter Single F 9 1892
Camberwell
London VIEW
BOND, Cecil Son Single M 6 1895
Camberwell
London VIEW

Address:
107, New Church Road, Camberwell County:
London

Charles William Bond Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 03 JAN 1875 Presidency Of, Bombay, Maharashtra, India

Christening: 23 FEB 1875 Mazagaon-Bombay, Maharashtra, India
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Parents:
Father: John Bond Family
Mother: Emily
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Looks like brummiejan found him in 1911. It's quite possible the head of household filled in the form and didn't know he was married.

1891 England Census
Name: Charles William Bond
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen Bond
Gender: Male
Where born: Drogheda, Ireland
Civil parish: St Anne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: Westminster
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Soho Square

Occupation: Silversmiths Assistant

Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho
Piece: 88
Folio: 77
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Charles William Bond Ellen abt 1856 Drogheda, Ireland Head St Anne, London
Ellen Bond Charles William abt 1856 Uagpur, India Wife St Anne, London
Edward Wilson Bond Charles William, Ellen abt 1874 Calentta [Calcutta on image}, India Son St Anne, London - Assistant Cashier
Arthur Bond Charles William, Ellen abt 1876 Calentta [Calcutta on image], India Son St Anne, London - Commercial Clerk
Kathleen Bond Charles William, Ellen abt 1878 Kishuagur, India Daughter St Anne, London
William Henry Bond Charles William, Ellen abt 1880 Calenth [Calcutta on image], India Son St Anne, London
Charles Alfred Bond Charles William, Ellen abt 1888 Southgate, London, England Son St Anne, London
John Newton Bond Charles William, Ellen abt 1889 Marylebone, London, England Son St Anne, London

Big gap between sons William & Charles. May be missing children.

name: Kathleen Bond
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 23
relationship to head of household: Daughter
birthplace: India
record type: Household
registration district: Camberwell
sub-district: St George
ecclesiastical parish: St George Camberwell
civil parish: Camberwell
county: London, Middlesex

Thanks everyone, looks like you found him in 1911, wonder if he fell out with ellen or was just working away from home on census night. Maybe should get that death certificate to check out if it was him??? Would have an address at least then . ?? The rumour was he changed his name by deed poll to william brand, but think that was not strictly true, not sure. But then he would not have a registered death under the old name i suppose???
Ellen had married george wilson in india , and he died in 1879, so we are not certain wether after edward and arthur and kathleen , who were wilsons, were bond children before they, ellen and charles william got married in 1884. Charles alfred anyway is defiantely Charles William bond's son, but uncertain about william henry.
Thanks everyone anyway for all your help and info, youve been fantastic as usual.

regards
shirley

Hi again all
We are going to get the certificate of death for the charles william bond in 1933, but the strange thing is, ellen bond died in 1928 and on her death certificate she is down as a widow. So it has caused some confusion. But maybe she was not aware of exactly where he was maybe if they separated ??? There was some talk of him changing his name to william brand, but maybe if he did this, he didnt do it by deed poll, and so that is the reason he had to be registered as still charles william bond on his death certificate???
thanks again. if anyone has any ideas they will be more than welcome.
rwgards
shirley

You are allowed to call yourself whatever you like as long as it's not for illegal purposes. That was so then, and now. I doubt he would have changed his name by deed poll as that would have been an unnecessary expense.

I hope the death cert clears it up for you. The person who was the informant for his death would have to know his name was Bond.

Ozi

thanks ozi
yes, as soon as we get death certificate we will know the truth. Or not..... fingers crossed.
thanks again to everyone who has helped with this query .
regards
shirley

returning to this thread from the new one started tonight

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1286949


Shirley says the death certificate was not the right person ( can you say how you are sure ? )

I wondered about leaving the country ... this passenger record would fit ?

BOND? Charles W 1862 M 1912 Liverpool USA New York

he does seem to have used his middle name consistently so seeing the middle initial is a good match

( the '?' seems to mean it isn't clear ... perhaps someone with findmypast access will have a look at the record )

passenger transcript details
Name: Charles W BOND?
Date of departure: 12 October 1912
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1862 (calculated from age)
Age: 50
Marital status:
Sex: Male
Occupation:
Passenger recorded on: Page 13 of 46



No I think this has been transcribed incorrectly as there are a few more letters after his name like "strum" and every person on that page origanates from Sweden

that's one down then :-)

name is too common to check outgoing passengers well without looking at every one and hoping for an occupation ... especially if he was only using initials for instance ...

couple of possible Brands ...

BRAND Chas Unknown M 1911 Liverpool Canada Halifax
BRAND C W Unknown M 1934 London China Hong Kong
BRAND C W Unknown M 1939 London China Hong Kong

but again ... all the ones with initial C, no initial, no birthdate ......................

I wonder about children's marriage certificates, whether they might say 'deceased' at any point

curious about that 1933 death though

Charles W Bonds born 1860 to 1864

Births Jun 1861
Bond Charles William Gravesend 2a 314
Deaths Sep 1910 ?
Bond Charles W 39 Bromley 2a 256

Births Mar 1861
BOND Charles William Warminster 5a 149
Deaths Mar 1935 ?
Bond Charles W 73 Warminster 5a 159

Births Sep 1863
BOND Charles William Macclesfield 8a 127
Deaths Jun 1936
Bond Charles W 73 Macclesfield 8a 193


that leaves the 1933 death unaccounted for by a birth in England/Wales ... and it is not in a completely unexpected area ...

curious how it was ruled out ... he could have had a partner who signed as wife even if she wasn't ?

I agree with Chrissie - please say why you have discounted that death so we can be sure it really is the wrong one. I wouldn't be too hung up on his wife being described as widow in 1928 - if they had parted years before it is quite possible nobody knew what became of him.

Have you checked out the address on her death cert on the electoral register?

Did a quick check for a Charles W. Brand death just in case the family story is correct, only found this - age a bit far out - and I think there is likely to be a corresponding birth, see below:

Name: Charles W Brand
Birth Date: abt 1856
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1935
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 813

Births Jun 1856 (>99%)
Brand Charles William Linton 3b 497

Jan