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Many thanks for the link to the Mitchell Library, it was through them that my cousin and I got a lead once before that lead to us finding the married names of some of the female members of the family, we found a family grave for our Great Grand parents and on the stone it recorded the internment of the ashes of their 3 daughters - giving us their married names.

Veronica

Ask the Mitchell Library in Glasgow.
http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/

Hi BatMansDaughter

I have the Scottish census information and the IGI listings, even the information about the address 25 St Vincent Cres & on the 1891 70 St Vincent Cres gives me the circumstantial evidence I need as Johns brother lived at 68 St Vincent at one time and owned several properties in the area.

Perhaps I could prove the connection if I could find out who owned the property since I haven't been able to find a marriage in Scotland or America despite lots of people searching for me.

Any Ideas how I could find out who owned the properties in 1881/1891



Thanks

Veronica

1881 Scotland Census
about Andrew C Macdougall Name: Andrew C Macdougall
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: John Macdougall
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Macdougall
Gender: Male
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/10
Registration district: Anderston
Civil parish: Glasgow Anderston
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 25 St Vincent Crescent
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 69
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 6
Roll: cssct1881_241
Household Members: Name Age
John Macdougall 42
Elizabeth Macdougall 37
Julia Macdougall 16
John Macdougall 14
Robert Macdougall 10
Andrew C Macdougall 8
George F C Macdougall 5
Edward A Macdougall 3
David S Macdougall 2

This is from the IGI, a baptism for a Mcdougall son;

Name: Andrew Oswald Macdougall
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 24 Mar 1873
Birthplace: ANDERSTON,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Macdougall
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mcmillan
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11931-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
Source Film Number: 6035516
Reference Number:


Taking into account Andrews middle name I would say that you were on the right tracks for Elizabeths parentage.

Not seeing Julia and the other children's arrival, but this looks like her returning to US after a visit to UK:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Julia Mcmillan
Arrival Date: 21 Sep 1880
Birth Year: abt 1819
Age: 61
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race- /Nationality: Scottish
Place of Origin: Scotland
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland and Moville, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Bolivia

Thanks MarieCeleste

Its unfortunate that the early US census don't show relationships as I found when I looked it up on Ancestry. I have followed the McMillans back on FamilySearch finding marriages and births that tie the family in and gave me a ton of information that connects the family to the US one and gives me information about names etc. Following the Scottish naming convention of using maiden names I even found Elizabeth's mother Julia and Williams marriage. All circumstantial.

By the way W B is William Brown Mcmillan and occurs in many subsequent children in the family also on the Macdougall side - if you google William Brown Macdougall who would have been John Macdougalls nephew up will pop a lot of work he did as an illustrator. I went to the Kelvingrove Museum this summer and they pulled from storage works they had by him.


If they had married in Scotland then that witness if it had been one of Johns brothers or his sister would have clinched it. Everything I have is circumstantial so I may add it to my tree with notes in capital letters indication that the connection is not proven.

Veronica

Elizabeth arriving in America:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Elizabeth Mcmillan
Arrival Date: 20 Oct 1853
Birth Year: abt 1843
Age: 10
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race- /Nationality: Scottish
Place of Origin: Scotland
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Statira Morse

She was travelling with WB McMillan, a shoemaker age 36 (he didn't like telling people his name, did he!)

I have deleted the other thread and all info is now on this one. Changed the title to reflect new information I need help with.

Veronica

No marriage that I can find (doesn't mean there wasn't one, just not available).
The 1860 census confirms she was already in US:

Name: Elizabeth Mcmillan
Age in 1860: 17
Birth Year: abt 1843
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1860: Charleston Ward 2, Charleston, South Carolina
Gender: Female
Post Office: Charleston
Value of real estate:
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherin Nesbit 50
W B Mcmillan 41 < Bootmaker
Julia Mcmillan 41
Elizabeth Mcmillan 17
Janet Mcmillan 15
Margaret Mcmillan 13
Carold Mcmillan 11
John Mcmillan 9
David Mcmillan 2

All McMillans born Scotland except David who was South Carolina. (As was Catherine Nesbit - don't know what her relationship is)

From new thread:

"I need to find on either Scotlands People or in Charleston South Carolina a marriage between John Mcdougall/Macdougall born Dundee 1839 and Eliza/Elizabeth Mcmillan born Glasgow 1840 ish.
They had 9 children, 3 born in the USA. MarieCeleste found them on the 1870 US Census living with a family called McMillan who I think are her parents and siblings.
They appear back on the Glasgow Census in 1881/1891 and the rest of their children are born in Glasgow.
If someone finds them on Scotlands People I would love to know who the witnesses are, that could be a clincher as to whether this is the right family"

followed by:
"I am leaning towards thinking they married in America as on a much later American census I found an immigration date of 1854."

(Advice already given about Scotland's People & credits)

Related thread -

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1285617

Hi MarieCeleste

That family looks like a very good possibility. Thanks, I will try finding this on Ancestry that way I can look at the relationship between Mcdougal's and Mcmillans. The initial "O" appears as a middle name of one their later childrens names, as does the name David, as does William B and I notice the Mcmillan siblings of this name . . . circumstantial but!

I didn't know that info about the ships lists either . . . I have gone google eyed looking for them, they must have returned before 1873 as Andrew O Mcdougall was born in glasgow that year.

Thanks for your help.

Veronica

The UK incoming passenger lists on Ancestry only start from 1878, so they must have come back before that.

Possible?

1870 United States Federal Census

Name: Julia Mcdougal
Birth Year: abt 1864
Age in 1870: 6
Birthplace: South Carolina
Home in 1870: Charleston Ward 3, Charleston, South Carolina
Race: White
Gender: Female
Value of real estate:
Post Office: Charleston
Household Members:
Name Age
W B Mcmillan 50
Julia Mcmillan 50
>E Mcdougal 27 Female
John Mcdougal 27 Blacksmith
Julia Mcdougal 6
John Mcdougal 4
Robert Mcdougal 1/12
O Mcmillan 20
John Mcmillan 18
Margret Mcmillan 22
David Mcmillan 11
Sarah Mcmillan 8

John & "E" were born Scotland, the children born SC (South Carolina)

Thanks to you both for your replies. Sorry not to get back to you sooner. I have included all the information that I have.

I have come up with 3 possible marriages on Familysearch site, my cousin is searching Scotlands people and has ruled out one of them and can find no record of the other 2.

Trying to find McDougal/Macdougall on Ancestry is like Smith and Jones, so many of them.

Veronica in Canada

The US is like Canada (and the UK) - there's no national system for BMDs - it's all handled at the state (province/country) level.

So which state are you asking about?

Do you know if they had middle names??

Have you tried using familysearch.org?

Possible???????????????

death date: 15 Dec 1934
death place: Hudson'S Hope, British Columbia, Canada
name: John Arthur Mac Dougall
gender: Male
age: 67y 11m 29d
birth date: 16 Dec 1866
birthplace: , Ontario
marital status: Married
father: John Mac Dougall
mother: Elizabeth Carey
digital folder number: 4437657
british columbia archives film number: B13152
registration number: 538