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Having a lot of trouble with this one. I'm trying to find my GGG Grandparents. Here's what I know.

They had a child Rachel Amelia King b 17 Dec 1884 in Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia.

Rachel married Raphael Moses Eve on 15 Oct 1906 in Brisbane, Queensland. On the marriage certificate it states that Rachel's parents are

Samuel King (cook) and Sarah Boyle

I can not find ANY evidence of a marriage for these two. I found a a cemetery index for a shared grave on ancestry suggesting that

Samuel King 1863/4-1931 and Sarah Boyle 1867-1941

However. When I look at other trees, they show that Samuel and Sarah are from Somerset, UK and that Sarah isn't a BOYLE at all but is a COCKRAM.

I hadn't found any evidence of another Samuel / Sarah couple living in Queensland at the time and now I'm totally puzzled and my brain is collapsing in on itself!

Is there anyone that can offer any assistance? I am waiting for the birth certificate of Rachel to come which will hopefully clear up some issues but Queensland is such a pain to get things from.

Any help on this is greatly appreciated!

a Sarah Jane Cockram married a Samuel King in 1890

Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)
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>>>Cockram Sarah Jane Taunton 5c 620
Hart Jessie Eliza Taunton 5c 620
>>>King Samuel Taunton 5c 620
Pring Alfred Taunton 5c 620


which rules out the possibility that this is your Samuel King and Sarah, if their daughter was born in Australia in 1884.

Never rely on information in other people's trees, it is not always properly researched!!!

This is the marriage referred to and it took place in Somerset at a time when, presumably, you have Sarah living in Australia?


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Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%)
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Cockram Sarah Jane Taunton 5c 620
Hart Jessie Eliza Taunton 5c 620
King Samuel Taunton 5c 620
Pring Alfred Taunton 5c 620

This is obviously a nonsense!!!

Dea x

I don't rely on other people's trees. I never trust them :) . But that aside, I can't find a marriage for the two. Anywhere in Australia or UK (so far for UK).

The only reason I was worried about that other tree's contents is because we both used the same cemetery index as a likely death for the pair. In all the research I've done on this couple I've never come across a second Sarah and Samuel, which is what stumped me.

Unfortunately, if they were born overseas and came to Australia in time for an 1884 birth of Rachel, the only travel records I can access are from 1890 onwards.

is this your Samuel ?

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name: Samuel King
Death Date: 16 Sep 1931
Death Place: Queensland
Father's Name: James King ***
Mother's Name: Frances Musgrave ***
Registration Year: 1931
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: B015209
Page Number: 894


Australia Cemetery Index, 1808-2007

Name: Samuel King
Age: 67
Birth Date: abt 1864
Death Date: 16 Sep 1931
Cemetery: Lutwyche Cemetery
Cemetery Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Compiled By: Genealogical Society of Queensland Inc

and Sarah ?

Australia Cemetery Index, 1808-2007

Name: Sarah Jane King
Age: 74
Birth Date: abt 1867
Death Date: 16 Sep 1941
Cemetery: Lutwyche Cemetery
Cemetery Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Compiled By: Genealogical Society of Queensland Inc


Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name: Sarah Jane King
Death Date: 17 Sep 1941
Death Place: Queensland
Father's Name: Cochrane ***
Registration Year: 1941
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Number: B053797
Page Number: 1268


(this is presumably where the 'Cockram' came from)

looks like James and 'Frances' (Fanny)

1851

KING, James Head Married M 26 1825 Cordwainer (Master)
Milverton
Somerset VIEW
KING, Fanny Wife Married F 23 1828 Cordwainer's Wife
Milverton
Somerset VIEW
KING, Ellen Daughter F 0 (4 MOS) 1851
St Decumans
Somerset VIEW
MUSGRAVE, Charles Visitor Brother In Law Unmarried M 19 1832 Cordwainer (Journ)
Milverton
Somerset VIEW

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Piece:
1920 Folio:
411 Page:
40 Registration District:
Williton

Civil Parish:
Saint Decumans Municipal Borough:
Address:
Bob Lane, Saint Decumans County:
Somersetshire

Qld birth:

1885/B33571
Rachel Amelia King
[father not named]
[mother] Sarah King

Possibly another sibling named Edith Alice KING b. 1889. [Possible death for her in 1891 as Edith Alice KING, father Fredk WILLIAMS, mother Sarah KING!]

A Sarah KING died in 1900 aged 41, born England (reg C3620). ???

Qld BDMs also show the Sarah KING who died in Sep 1941 aged 74 was Sarah Jane nee COCHRANE. She had lived in Sandgate and was interred at Lutwyche Cemetery. The Samuel who died in Sep 1931 was son of James KING & Frances MUSGRAVE; buried same cemetery, (index says he was aged 6 years but seems likely to be an error). Listed in funeral notice are wife S. King, daughter Mrs Nunn, brother W. King, and nephew W. Youngjohns. Seems not to be the right family.

Wonder if Samuel was 'made up' to cover a family secret of illegitimacy?

I just noticed you have ordered her birth cert - did you find it in the index? Or just provide name and date details to the registry?

1871

KING, James Head M 45 1826 Somerset VIEW
KING, Fanny Wife F 43 1828 Somerset VIEW
KING, John Son M 18 1853 Somerset VIEW
KING, Elizabeth Daughter F 13 1858 Somerset VIEW
KING, Thomas Son M 11 1860 Somerset VIEW
KING, James Son M 9 1862 Somerset VIEW
>>>>KING, Samuel Son M 7 1864 Somerset VIEW
KING, Richard Son M 4 1867 Somerset VIEW
KING, Emma Daughter F 0 1871 Somerset VIEW

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Piece:
2361 Folio:
26 Page:
17 Registration District:
Wellington

Civil Parish:
Milverton Municipal Borough:
Address:
Silver Street, Milverton County:
Somersetshire

*jinx* Choccy! :-)

Danny, would that cemetery have been Lutwyche Cemetery?

here are Samuel and Sarah Jane in 1891 (still in England)

1891

KING, Samuel Head Married M 27 1864 Joiner
Milverton
Somersetshire VIEW
KING, Sarah J Wife Married F 29 1862
Taunton
Somersetshire VIEW

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Piece:
1947 Folio:
85 Page:
22 Registration District:
Bedminster

Civil Parish:
Bedminster Municipal Borough:
Bristol Address:
23, Mount Pleasant Terrace, Bedminster, Bristol County:
Somersetshire

Did Rachel remarry?

1929/B5623 Eve Rachel Amelia [m] Jolliffe Frank William

Frank William died in 1955 (reg B9565).

Puzzling. It's def not the family that were in England as the daughter Rachel was born in Queensland in 1884. There is an index for her birth

Registration Year: 1885
Registration Place: Queensland
Page Number: 8036
Registration Number: B033571

That same date is listed on her son's birth certificate, and the age matches what was listed on her future marriages.

As you said the birth registration doesn't list the father but his name was listed on the marriage certificate to Rachel's first husband Raphael Moses Eve.

@choccy. I thought they may have been the right Sarah and Samuel, as they were buried together and I hadn't come across any other Sarah and Samuel King's in Qld. But I guess they aren't the right ones at all if a Somerset, UK King family with the same name rocked up.

I can't even find an electoral roll for a Samuel and Sarah King anytime before, around or after Rachel's birth. Something's not right here.

Yes Cherilyn she did remarry JOLLIFFE.

Rachel is last seen in 1963 electoral roll as Rachael Amelia Jolliffe living in Redcliffe, Petrie with her daughter Violet Ellen Latz (nee Eve) and Sidney Latz.

Even though Rachel gave those names as her parents on her marriage certificate, doesn't mean she was telling the truth! ;-)

And ya know what, that would totally fit too! So many secrets and marriages and cover ups in this side of the family.

Lol, do let us know when you get the certificate! :-D