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Espana

Espana Report 21 Nov 2011 22:35

Marriage of John and Mary.

John Harper born 1824 Newport Shropshire -- Mary Booker 1833 Shropshire.
Their first child Jessie born November 1858 in Newport Shropshire. All later children born in Lancashire as believe they moved as Jessie their baby was only a few months old.
I thought it was a marriage listed in Wellington Shropshire Jan 1858 but not correct groom. Can anyone help with access to their b.m.d. records as really need this wedding certificate to prove their Fathers names.
Thanks guys. Cindy

patchem

patchem Report 21 Nov 2011 22:37

Have you got Mary's name from a child's birth certificate?
Could she have been married previously?

patchem

patchem Report 21 Nov 2011 22:41

Is this the family in 1871?
John Harper
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head Gender: Male
Where born: Trickstep Grange, Shropshire, England
[Pickstock Grange, Shropshire, England] Civil parish: Prestwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Prestwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 229 Piece: 4067 Folio: 117 Page Number: 43

John Harper 42 widower
Jessie Harper 12 [Pickstock Grange, Pickstock, Shropshire, England]
Alice Harper 9 Royton Lancashire
Sarah Harper 7
Edith Harper 5
Mary Harper 3

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4067; Folio: 117; Page: 43; GSU roll: 846349.

Espana

Espana Report 21 Nov 2011 22:43

Yes maiden name obtained from Jessie's birth cert.

Andrew

Andrew Report 21 Nov 2011 22:44

1861 for ref

1861 England Census
about Jessey Harper
Name: Jessey Harper
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John Harper
Mother's Name: Mary Harper
Gender: Female
Where born: Edgmond, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Royton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Royton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 24
Piece: 3029
Folio: 10
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
John Harper 32
Mary Harper 27
Jessey Harper 2


Andy

Flick

Flick Report 21 Nov 2011 22:44

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1862
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HARPER Alice Mary Royton Oldham BULLOCK ROY/16/99


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1864
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
HARPER Sarah Royton Oldham BULLOCK ROY/17/194

Espana

Espana Report 21 Nov 2011 22:45

Yes correct family in 1871. Should read Pickstock Grange, Newport.

Espana

Espana Report 21 Nov 2011 22:48

Thanks Andy yes correct family in Lancashire. I am ok with their later life it is just the marriage I am failing to find.

Espana

Espana Report 21 Nov 2011 22:51

Flick Sorry do not know what you are telling me. Is this a further birth of a chiild to Mary and John confirming her maiden name as Bullock?

Andrew

Andrew Report 21 Nov 2011 22:56

Marriage?

Booker/Bullock??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1858 (>99%)
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Bullock Mary Wolverhampton 6b 513
Harper John Wolverhampton 6b 513

Andy

Flick

Flick Report 21 Nov 2011 22:57

Marriages Mar 1858 (>99%)
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BULLOCK Mary Wellington,sh 6a 1149


Ancestry links this to all the census records for Harper

And to this death

Name: Mary Harper
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1869
Age at Death: 36
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 259

Espana

Espana Report 21 Nov 2011 22:59

Flick Yes I thought it was this wedding but had my money returned by GRO as presume incorrect information i.e. Groom Harper.

Ancestry search did not show a spouse's name but had hoped it was John.
Any suggestions Thanks Cindy

Flick

Flick Report 21 Nov 2011 22:59

1841

Name: Mary Bullock
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Female
Where born: Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Edgmond
Hundred: South Bradford (Newport Division)
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Newport
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 905
Book: 4
Folio: 5
Page Number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Ben Bullock 50
Frances Bullock 30
Mary Bullock 8
Richard Bullock 6
George Bullock 4
Henry Bullock 2

Espana

Espana Report 21 Nov 2011 22:59

Flick Yes I thought it was this wedding but had my money returned by GRO as presume incorrect information i.e. Groom Harper.

Ancestry search did not show a spouse's name but had hoped it was John.
Any suggestions Thanks Cindy

Espana

Espana Report 21 Nov 2011 23:00

Flick Yes I thought it was this wedding but had my money returned by GRO as presume incorrect information i.e. Groom Harper.

Ancestry search did not show a spouse's name but had hoped it was John.
Any suggestions Thanks Cindy

patchem

patchem Report 21 Nov 2011 23:00

?
1841 England Census
Mary Booker
Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Female Where born: Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Newport Hundred: South Bradford (Newport Division)
County/Island: Shropshire Country: England
Registration district: Newport Sub-registration district: Newport
Piece: 906 Book: 8 Folio: 7 Page Number: 6

William Booker 40
Mary Booker 45
Joseph Booker 20
James Booker 13
William Booker 11
Sarah Booker 9
Mary Booker 8
Elizabeth Booker 4

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 906; Book: 8; Civil Parish: Newport; County: Shropshire; Enumeration District: 3; Folio: 7; Page: 6; Line: 15; GSU roll: 474581.

?
MARY BOWKER
Christening: 05 AUG 1835 Newport, Shropshire, England
Father: WILLIAM BOWKER Mother: MARY
C034742

Added:
Think this is wrong birth, another family showing in the censuses.

Espana

Espana Report 21 Nov 2011 23:00

Flick Yes I thought it was this wedding but had my money returned by GRO as presume incorrect information i.e. Groom Harper.

Ancestry search did not show a spouse's name but had hoped it was John.
Any suggestions Thanks Cindy

Espana

Espana Report 21 Nov 2011 23:08

Andy

Yes reckon you have cracked it. Booker June 1858. The birth certificate received is practically impossible to read so my translation of her maiden name could well have read Booker.
I will send for a further birth certificate of a later child born to the marriage which hopefully will be more eligable.
Thank you Cindy

Espana

Espana Report 22 Nov 2011 08:26

Thanks to you all Cindy

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 22 Nov 2011 13:37

when you sent for the marriage certificate did you put down the names of both bride & groom

sometimes it is better to just put the name of the one of whom you are certain of the name. If you even slightly mispell a name the GRO will say there is no match. As long as you include the GRO index reference you only need one name