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I am doing some searching for a friend.: Mary Ellen Stroulger married Charles Robert Willis in 1907 in Hackney. I have their children, Ellen (1911), Charles (1914), George (1917), Elsie (1924) and William (1924). All born Hackney. My friend is connected to Elsie but knows nothing about the others. She wants to find out more about Elsie's mother.

Fromthe marriage record, Mary Ellen Stroulger's father was Charles Robert Strougler, a painter. There is a marriage on fbmd for 1880 in Hackney but I cannot find them in the 1881 or 1891 census. In 1901 Charles is a widower living in Wick Road, Hackney with Mary Ellen and her three brothers - Charles,, Joseph and George.

I was hoping to find Charles and his family in an earlier census. Can anyone help with this? I suspect the name has been mistranscribed - which is a real problem for me but you guys seem to manage to find them!

Also, if anyone knows where the surname comes from I would be very interested.

Thanks - G

I know this isn't what you're looking for but will add it in case it's a connection:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Robert Strougler
Spouse Name: Ann Anderson
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Sep 1831
Parish: Whitechapel St Mary
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register

have you tried the 1881 on the LDS site?

It offers variants as a matter of routine..............

In 1901, how old was Charles?

And what was his birthplace?

And his occupation?

1901 England Census about Charles Stroulger
Name: Charles Stroulger
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Homerton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 109
Piece: 230
Folio: 134
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Stroulger 48
Joseph Stroulger 19
Charles Stroulger 19
Mary Stroulger 15
George Stroulger 12




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1881 England Census about Charles Stroulyer
Name: Charles Stroulyer
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Stroulyer
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St John Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 154 Wick Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Confectioner

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 316
Folio: 25
Page Number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Stroulyer 28
Mary Stroulyer 23

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As you didn't give Mary Ellen's birth year...............

Name: Mary Ellen Stroulger
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1885
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 581 (click to see others on page)

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1871 England Census about Charles Stroulger
Name: Charles Stroulger
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 163
Piece: 478
Folio: 59
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
William Baines 40
Emma Baines 36
William H Baines 18
John Baines 14
Emma E Baines 12
Charles Stroulger 18


1861???

1861 England Census about Chas Stroulger
Name: Chas Stroulger
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Stroulger
Mother's Name: Jane Stroulger
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green St Matthew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mathias
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 193
Piece: 263
Folio: 137
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Stroulger 32
Jane Stroulger 31
Thos Stroulger 10
Chas Stroulger 8
John Darr 14

Thanks MarieCeleste - there is another marriage for Robert in 1838 in Whitechapel to a Eliza Merrion - they might be the same one. No connection with this lot yet!

Sorry Flick - Charles was born c 1853 in Hackney. He's a house painter.

G

Mary Regan Oct-Nov-Dec 1880 Hackney London
Charles Robert Stroulger Oct-Nov-Dec 1880 Hackney London

Oops - we crossed!

Alviegal - brilliant! That's them I think in 1881. I think that means he married Mary Regan in 1880. I don't know who the Baines are in 1871. Thankyou!!

Flick - thankyou. I did find that one!

Many thanks everyone! Any luck with 1891 ??

1881 on fmp.

234 DARKINS, William Head Married M 42 1839 Warehouse Porter
Norwich
Norfolk VIEW
234 DARKINS, Sarah Wife Married F 42 1839
Cripplegate
Middlesex VIEW
234 DARKINS, Maria Daughter Single F 17 1864 Oxelonite Worker
St Lukes
Middlesex VIEW
234 DARKINS, Samuel Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
Hoxton
Middlesex VIEW
234 DARKINS, Eleanor Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Hackney
Middlesex VIEW
234 DARKINS, Mary Ann Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Hackney
Middlesex VIEW
234 DARKINS, William Son Single M 4 1877
Hackney
Middlesex VIEW
234 DARKINS, Lilian Daughter Single F 2 1879
Hackney
Middlesex VIEW
235 STROULYER, Charles Head Married M 28 1853 Confectioner
London
Middlesex VIEW
235 STROULYER, Mary Wife Married F 23 1858 Confectioner
Limerick
Ireland VIEW
RG number:
RG11 Piece:
316 Folio:
25 Page:
44

Sub District:
South Hackney Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Municipal Borough:
Address:
154, Wick Rd, Hackney County:
London, Middlesex


1871 on fmp. Perhaps he worked at William's coffee shop?


163 BAINES, William Head M 40 1831 Kent coffee shop owner & chairmaker
163 BAINES, Emma Wife F 36 1835 Middlesex VIEW
163 BAINES, William H Son M 18 1853 Middlesex VIEW
163 BAINES, John Son M 14 1857 Middlesex VIEW
163 BAINES, Emma E Daughter F 12 1859 Middlesex VIEW
163 STROULGER, Charles Visitor waiter M 18 1853 Middlesex VIEW
RG number:
RG10 Piece:
478 Folio:
58 Page:
28

Sub District:
Hackney Road Enumeration District:
15 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Municipal Borough:
Address:
Barnet St, Bethnal Green County:
London, Middlesex

1891??

1891 England Census
about Charles Stranger
Name: Charles Stranger
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline Stranger
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary of Eton
Town: Homerton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 207
Folio: 136
Page Number: 60
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Stranger 38 House Painter
Caroline Stranger 33 born Ireland, Belfast
Joe Stranger 9
Charley Stranger 8
Polly Stranger 5
George Stranger 1


Andy

Thanks Andrew - I don't think this is right. SORRY! I should read more carefully - Actually Andrew, I think you may have the right family. Who is Caroline? Did he re-marry? Anther Irish girl?

Alviegal - thanks for that - I don't (yet) know the connection but I think there may be one - Stroulger is, I think, a name from Norfolk. Mary Regan was quite possibly from Ireland.

G

I think Andrew's found the 1891 actually. look at the childrens' names and ages and Charles is a house painter.


fmp's take on it.


1891


340 STRONGER, Charles Head Married M 38 1853 House Painter
London VIEW
340 STRONGER, Caroline Wife Married F 33 1858
Ireland Belfast VIEW
340 STRONGER, Joe Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Hackney
London VIEW
340 STRONGER, Charley Son M 8 1883 Scholar
Hackney
London VIEW
340 STRONGER, Polly Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar
Hackney
London VIEW
340 STRONGER, George Son M 1 1890
Hackney
London VIEW
RG number:
RG12 Piece:
207 Folio:
136 Page:
60

Sub District:
South Hackney Enumeration District:
19 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mary of Eton

Municipal Borough:
Address:
22, Mallard Street, Hackney, Homerton County:
London


1901 to compare.


STROULGER, Charles Head Widower M 48 1853 Painter (House)
Hackney
London VIEW
STROULGER, Joseph Son Single M 19 1882 Bricklayers Labourer
Hackney
London VIEW
STROULGER, Charles Son Single M 17 1884 Bricklayers Labourer
Hackney
London VIEW
STROULGER, Mary Daughter Single F 15 1886 Domestic Servant
Hackney
London VIEW
STROULGER, George Son Single M 12 1889
Hackney
London VIEW
Piece:
230 Folio:
134 Page:
14 Registration District:
Hackney

Civil Parish:
Hackney Municipal Borough:
Address:
233, Wick Road, Hackney County:
London

Thanks - yes, I edited my post to say Sorry - I think I jumped the gun!

Do you think this is the Charles as you found? Is Mary now Caroline?

Sorry must go, but have a read of this for the name's origins.

http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Stroulger

Thanks Alviegal - that's very interesting - especially the possible Huguenot connections. I think I can take the family back a little further to Thomas Stroulger and Jane Dean - found them on 1861.

Thanks everyone else. I am still puzzled about Mary Regan and Caroline - are these two different wives of Charles Robert? Or are they not connected at all and it's a diferent Charles? I can't find a Caroline marriage and I can't find deaths for Mary or Caroline Stroulger.

I suppose Mary Ellen's birth cert is needed after all!

G

There is a tree on ancestry that appears to be from Joseph's (1882) line.
It has Thomas's parents as Robert Stroulger (1806-1854) and Elizabeth Goodbody (1794-1854).
They don't seem to know any more about Mary Regan or Caroline though.

Perhaps it may be interesting to get in touch with the person doing the One Name Study for Stroulger. You can get in touch with him via the link I have already given you.

Good luck

Liz