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Hi
Has anyone got a William Whitfield born 4 May 1820 in Shoreditch, UK in their tree ??
Or any info on what happened to him ??
His father was Thomas and his mother was Mary.
He may be my Great Great Great Grandfather.
My William migrated the Australia in 1838 was born 1820 and his father was Thomas.

thanks

Steve

Have you used to ''search trees'' function to find out?

the chances of someone popping in, seeing this and saying 'yes' are about nil.

He was baptised not born on 31st May.
4th May 1820 has been added under the 'by whom the ceremony was performed' column
William Whitfield
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1820
Baptism Date: 31 May 1820
Father's Name: Thomas Whitfield (Victualler)
Mother's Name: Mary Whitfield
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

@Penny
Yes i have use the search function here,there is only one person named Cheryl who has him,but i sent her a message a few weeks ago and not heard back.
Yes i also know that its a remote chance that someone who has him in their tree will see this,that's why i also asked for any info ,so that someone who has not got him in their tree might be able to help.

@ allotment
I have looked at ancestry and the only one with William Whitfield born 31 May 1820 in their tree that i can find is my cousin and he is just guessing that they are the same..close enough is good enough .
I am not like that,i need a definite link between the 2 to add him to my tree,hence my post here, hoping someone can connect the 2.
The photo that you mentioned ( a portrait ?) is the one i discovered in the archives of the State Library in South Australia where i live,then uploaded it to Ancestry where everyone else then grabbed it for their tree :-) .
As for Mundia i dont know a lot about it,but i seems that the family trees that come up in a search,are just the ones from Ancestry ?? ,not sure is this correct ??
thanks
Steve

@patchem
yes thats correct,its my typo,i must have copied the wrong line.. DOH !,i will correct my original post..thanks.
Here it has him born 4 May 1820

Name: William Whitfield
Record Type: Baptism
Born: 4 May 1820
Date: 31 May 1820
Father's Name: Thomas Whitfield
Mother's Name: Mary Whitfield
Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Borough: Hackney
County: London

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLJC-3M9

I see that you have (Victualler) next to Thomas name,this is new info for me, what does it mean exactly ?,another surname ??
I just need to find a connection between this William and my William.

thanks
Steve

"Victualler" would be his occupation.

A victualler is traditionally a person who sells food or other provisions, similar to a grocer, and in particular British usage can be used to mean a person licensed to sell alcoholic beverages.

A licensed victualler, a formal name for a the landlord of a public house or similar licensed establishment.

The William Whitfield born 1820 in Shoreditch had siblings Thomas, Henry, Mary, Ellen and Frederick. Was wondering if your William used any of these names when naming his own children.

This William's father was Thomas, he kept a tavern in the City of London. (I got this from the 1851 census, where he's still living with wife Mary, and son Frederick. Also from the apprentice record of his son Thomas).

I've found brothers Thomas, Henry and Frederick on the 1851 census, but can't see a very likely William.

Robert Thomas,Ellen and Henry are names of 3 of the children of my William.
No William in the 1851 census sounds promising.
thanks Christina

Just posting that 1851 census
1851 England Census
Thomas Whitfield Age: 67 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1784
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Whitfield
Gender: M (Male) Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Giles Cripplegate County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Occupation: Almsman late tavern keeper 3 Gresham Alms Houses
Registration district: East London Sub-registration district: Cripplegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e Household schedule number: 81 Piece: 1525 Folio: 171 Page Number: 17

Thomas Whitfield 67
Mary Whitfield 66 Kensington
Frederick Whitfield 22 optician

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1525; Folio: 171; Page: 17; GSU roll: 174755.

Thanks for that patchem.
Another thing i know about my William is that he was a teacher in the West End Of London before moving to Australia.
This may be of help.

This looks like son Frederick in 1841, unfortunately not with parents:
1841 England Census
Fredk Whitfield
Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Giles in The Fields Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Occupation: Shop Man
Registration district: St Giles Sub-registration district: St Giles South
Piece: 673 Book: 5 Folio: 9 Page Number: 13

Geo Benton 65
Matilda Benton 55
Eliza Benton 25
Sarah Wood 35
Chas Baker 25
Jas Benson 15
xxx Fredk Whitfield 14

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 673; Book: 5; Civil Parish: St Giles in The Fields; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 5; Folio: 9; Page: 13; Line: 13; GSU roll: 438789.

This looks like Thomas, so no William showing:
1841 England Census
Thomas Chisfield
Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1784 Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: Bethnal Green Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Street Address: Coal Cottages ?? Oval Cottages ??
Occupation: wine cooper
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road
Piece: 693 Book: 10 Folio: 28 Page Number: 21

Thomas Chisfield 57 all born locally
Mary Chisfield 56
Mary Chisfield 20
Ellen Chisfield 18
Alice Gray 18

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 693; Book: 10; Civil Parish: Bethnal Green; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 33; Folio: 28; Page: 21; Line: 19; GSU roll: 438809.

Frederick may have been visiting friends on the census night.

Just found this one,it could eliminate my William from the William born in Shoreditch, Middlesex, England :(

Groom's Name: William Whitfield
Bride's Name: Charlotte Esden
Marriage Date: 05 Dec 1848
Marriage Place: All Saints, Lambeth, Surrey, England
Groom's Father's Name: Thomas Whitfield
Bride's Father's Name: James Esden

Here are the couple in the 1851 census:

Name: William Whitfield
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte Whitfield
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second

Thoughts anyone ??

Also if i order the marriage certificate,what info can i expect on the 1848 certificate .

thanks

Steve

Steve,
Are you not able to view the 1848 cert on Ancestry?

They're both of full age and both of York Rd. He's a tobacconist and father Thomas is a Gent. Her father is a licensed victualler.

Maureen

Hi Maureen
Sorry,but i don't know Ancestry too well.
I am learning how to use it at this stage,but i have now found the marriage certificate.
I'm not sure what to make of it,the only thing i can see that is different between the 2 Williams is there fathers occupation.
I'm not up to date with what the occupation of a Gentleman was in them days, but would that mean if he was classed as a Gentleman then he wouldn't be a licensed victualler ??.
I remember somewhere that my William that migrated to Australia put his fathers occupation (maybe on his wedding certificate)as a Gentleman also,so would this exclude him from being William from Shoreditch.

thanks
Steve

Edit; I have found this William also who had a father as Thomas,but i think Ancestry have made a mistake when interpreting the baptism certificate,they have the year 1820,but the certificate looks like 1840 ,can someone confirm this please...thanks.
http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=LMAbirths&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-d&gsfn=william&gsln=whitfield&msbdy=1820&msfng0=thomas&dbOnly=_F00058A6|_F00058A6_x%2c_F0005A49|_F0005A49_x%2c_F0005A5E|_F0005A5E_x&uidh=efc&=b%2cf&pcat=34&fh=0&h=751350&recoff=9+10+37+48+50

If you are unsure of the year showing, then just 'turn' the pages of the book to see what it says on previous entries/images , 1819 or 1839?

If this is the record you mean, the date should be 1840. The DOBs of the children baptised have been written in the left margin, and William's is given as Jan 3 1836. Baptised on the same day with same parents is George, b Jan 12 1840. Address given as Coleman st; no occupation given for father:

Name: William Whitfield
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1820
Baptism Date: 23 Feb 1820
Father's Name: Thomas Smith Whitfield
Mother's Name: Jane Elizabeth Whitfield
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Botolph without Bishopsgate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

Bump for help on this :

I'm not up to date with what the occupation of a Gentleman was in them days, but would that mean if he was classed as a Gentleman then he wouldn't be a licensed victualler ??.
I remember somewhere that my William that migrated to Australia put his fathers occupation (maybe on his wedding certificate)as a Gentleman also,so would this exclude him from being William from Shoreditch. :-)

I do not have any 'gentlemen' in my tree. They could be claiming something that they are not, but gentlemen are not usually tobacconists.