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As you've marked this thread as answered, I'm assuming you're accepting Thomas is the father.

Ozi

In 1861 Thomas was a baker.

No Joseph deaths about that time.
???
Deaths Dec 1868
Gittins Thomas 37 Wolverhampton 6b 305

Only William born about that time, so it really looks like Thomas is the father.
Births Sep 1857
Gittins Thomas William Wolverhampton 6b 381


So Pennie, is this your family or are we still looking for a Joseph?

Where did you get your original name of 'Joseph' from?

Dea Xxx

AAAhhha !!! - That looks more like it !!


William Fletcher Oct-Nov-Dec 1853 Wolverhampton Staffordshire
Thomas Gettings Oct-Nov-Dec 1853 Wolverhampton Staffordshire ***
Catharine Lewes Oct-Nov-Dec 1853 Wolverhampton Staffordshire
Louisa Smith Oct-Nov-Dec 1853 Wolverhampton Staffordshire ***

Dea Xxx

Found the marriage in 1853 - to Thomas GETTINGS!! Yet another variation.
Regards
Pennie

You are welcome Pennie but if you want more help on this - please take your tick off which says the thread is now answered or people will not look at it further!

I fear we have a long way to go yet before we solve it !!

Dea Xxx

Yes Dea thought the same about the marriage myself.
Many thanks for your help.
Pennie

This would be 'that' Louisa's family:

1851 England Census
about Louisa Smith
Name: Louisa Smith
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Daughter
Parent's Name: James Smith
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Ludlow, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 1i
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 164
Piece: 2019
Folio: 230
Page Number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
James Smith 39 wid. Parish Relief b Hereford
Louisa Smith 17
John Smith 13
Ann Smith 15
Jane Smith 9
Henry Smith 7
Martha Smith 5
Charles Smith 3
Alfred Smith 1

at 4 Sun Street

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2019; Folio: 230; Page: 46; GSU roll: 87422-87423.

This marriage posted by Catherine is a 'possible', though a little late?

Marriages Jun 1863 (>99%)
GITTINS Joseph Walsall 6b 776
SMITH Louisa Walsall 6b 776
STEADMAN John Walsall 6b 776
TOMLINSON Amy Walsall 6b 776



Dea x

Forgive me but I still have a feeling that it is them !!!

They seem to be using their middle names.

They have children Ann (Frances Ann), William (possibly William Thomas - I will post possible birth below) and Louisa (misspelt).

They were both born in Ludlow and moved to Wolverhampton???

Births Sep 1857
Gittins Thomas William Wolverhampton 6b 381


I will look further................

Dea Xxx

The first child was Frances Ann born in 1855.I cannot find a marriage before this date. As the children have their fathers name I assume they must have been married when they were born.

The 1861 post is not correct as they are the wrong names and the wrong children.
Regards
Pennie

What makes you so sure that the 1861 I posted is not them please?

Dea x

These are the only marriages that I can see for Joseph to Louisa:-

Marriages Jun 1863 (>99%)
GITTINS Joseph Walsall 6b 776
SMITH Louisa Walsall 6b 776
STEADMAN John Walsall 6b 776
TOMLINSON Amy Walsall 6b 776


Marriages Dec 1867 (>99%)
DALE James Wolverhampton 6b 743
EDGE Louisa Wolverhampton 6b 743
Giddins Joseph Wolverhampton 6b 743
STEPHAN Maria Elizabeth Wolverhampton 6b 743

........so could it be that his wife in 1861 wasn't Louisa?
Do you have one of the children's birth certificates ?
That would give you mother's maiden name.


Births Jun 1855 (>99%)
Gittins Frances Ann Wolverhampton 6b 446

Births Mar 1860 (>99%)
GITTINS Louisa Jane Wolverhampton 6b 474

Do you have Joseph and Louisa's marriage details please?

Dea x

No, regret that is not them.
Regards
Pennie

This looks like them but father is Thomas??

1861 England Census
about Ann Gittings
Name: Ann Gittings
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Gittings
Mother's Name: Suzesia Gittings
Gender: Female
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Wolverhampton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 134
Piece: 1994
Folio: 34
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Gittings 30 Baker b Ludlow, Shropshire
Suzesia Gittings 27 b ludlow, Shropshire
Ann Gittings 5
William Gittings 3
Tuzesia Gittings 1
Martha Smith 15 sister.

at 61 Walsall Street.


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1994; Folio: 34; Page: 26; GSU roll: 542899.

Dea x

Hello,
Yes that is the correct family, but I cannot find them in 1861. On Family Search they are shown as being in Wombridge, Shropshire in 1861 but cannot find this records on GR. Assume it must be a poor or unreadable record. Have also found a possible earlier child - Mary born 1853?
Regards
Pennie

Is them in 1871?

1871 England Census about Louisa Gittins
Name: Louisa Gittins
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ludlow, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Wolverhampton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household schedule number: 66
Piece: 2938
Folio: 125
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Louisa Gittins 38
Frances A Gittins 15 - born: Whampton, Staffordshire
William Gittins 13
Louisa J Gittins 12
Harriet Gittins 8
Charles Gittins 6
Susan Gittins 4
Emily Gittins 2

When were the children born?